Wormholes

One way to look at it is that living in a "high class" Wormhole systems is like the day-to-day inner-city grind to make your money, put in your time, have your career, etc., so you can retire and move to a comfortable suburban C2, where you don't have to worry about money or income and can socialize with (fight) everyone who comes around and actually enjoy yourself. There is also the advantage in that if you have a slow day, you can go do things on your own or in a small group, instead of needing a large group all the time.

Bane, you lived with a C2 corp. That corp is happy where they are, and undoubtedly explained this to you whenever you tried to get them to experience the "deeper life", as I've seen Nash say the same things multiple times on these forums that he has already posted in this thread. It seems that even though you lived in the C2, you never really "got it".

But you know what? That's perfectly fine! That is one of the things that makes EVE an amazing game, even when CCP doesn't fully implement features or when they rush broken or braindead features to production. There is a playstyle for just about everyone, even in W-space. You only have to find a place that makes you happy.

Maybe, just maybe, those of us in "low class" systems have found what makes us happy, and THAT is why we don't want to leave.

That depends on how you fight, you don't have to live in a C5+ to easily afford PvP. Hell, just doing PI in a C1 could earn you that. What a C5+ allows you to do, is to afford loosing expensive PvP-ships regularly.

so what youre saying is that the difference between high end and low end WH space if that the people who live in high end space troll the forums more?
i guess that's fair.

There are two kinds of new bros that post on the forums

1) This one tries to find and research all of answers he seeks on his own. He makes it clear that he has tried to answer his questions on his own. His posts this very fact, followed by what he thinks is the correct answer. Then he asks for the community's assistance in finding a better answer.

2) This new bro never bothered to find the answer on his own. He asks a half thought out question and expects the right answer right away. When he gets an answer he doesn't like, he whines and cries about how people are mean

The first guy almost always gets a well thought out and respectful response. He has clearly demonstrated he attempted to find a solution on his own, and states his questions in a clear and concise manner. The community of wormhole posters (COWP for short) respect that this new bro isnt afraid of doing the work himself and help him out as he is worth the investment.

Second bro wants hand holding and clearly deserves the smiting he gets from COWP.

i dont think the "good" pvp is in c5 c6 . I think those are carebear systems . Some people are doing some great pvp . But rest are ok with theyre WH theyre shiny ships and fits and ok to def and somettimes fight back .

I love my c2 c3 hs . Of course i need to farm 5 times more to get same money , but we see action everyday , everyhour if we wish so .
We rotate c3 in such quantities we often find oure own bookmarks .


Why there arent many people from lower class , duno maybe you have more free time ?
Also russians have theyre eve ru forum . Quite active there .
Also this forum is blocked in many places where people work . But otther forums or websites like duno reddit arent , so people browse those .
Were justt as serius , as you are , check efficiency of good pvp wh corps from low class. we are as serius as you if not more .
Noticed probably , easier get fights when youre not "known" easier to get people bait on drakes .
Perfectly content , i am .

Depends what you want from uss ? not all have such great faith in csm and theyre impact . Once i heard about a conversation of worm dwellers going to help break the goon siege ... rlly ? so wrong on so many levels .

There are diifferent comunities , not all are english speakers .
Change Black hole effect , raise cost of ribbons , and were ok for the next 3 years .


Big difference:
c5/c6-dweller goes pve, buys ships, goes scout with corp to find stuff and lose earlier bought ships to other players.
c1-c4-dweller spends all that time farming to end up with as much cash. No time for POS-spinning/forum-warrior'ing.
Dis is a good point + pvp .

C5 space is so empty that the groups in c5/c6 space have nothing to do but post on the forums. The guys in the lower class wormholes have way more stuff going on and don't have time to look at forums.
another good one .

We arent afraid of c5 c6 we have plenty of people and resources skills and ships . But we dont need that . So far until we can afford cover all losses + plexes , and shiny t3 what to farm for ?
Trillions are for traders/manufacturers/ and maybe oother ppeople . if i have 15 billions i already duno what to do with those , i buy pirate ships cos they look nice . If you have 150 billions , do you need em ?
But here there is pvp , here people are living , we can roll oure high near jita and get visitors , or we can spam c3 , one time we catch a venture next time we get a marauder . How many holes you need to check before you find a fight ?

There is a nice german guy streaming wh life in high class on twitch with nice music btw , i sometimes check it , so much effort and time wasted to fly around only to keep finding graveyards (empty systems)


also tthis wh forum aint so intresting , a limited amount of numbers consider themselves best . Theyre not into null politics , theyre not some peons for some coalition . Theyre not high sec carebears , there not some miners . Theyre best pvp'ers in EVE and have fattest wallet's . Sounds much like wining EVE , or being a hipster im so cool cos i live in WH . You can troll someone living in empire , you can troll people living in nulls , those in low sec probably deserve some respect . But there is nothing to say about WH . There are plenty of carebears and theyre more coward then those renting space in null .

Worth also mentioning that WH groups tend to be smaller and more localised to IRL places. You see a lot of single country corps/shell alliances around, even more so in the lower WH's where a group of 10 can live out pretty comfortably. I'm sure many of these groups are more comfortable talking in their own language over English. There's probably a post down in the German or Russian forums below by a Non-English Speaking Bane asking the same questions.

just looked at this thread now. I'm not reading all 5 pages.

But that is part of the point I'm about to make.

Seems the question is why us "lower class" wh peeps are quieter on the forums then the 'big boy's'?

truth for me and many others I know, is that the wh forums tend to be the same few people doing all the posting, and the majority of their posts are trolling each other, comparing their e-penis's and just generally circle jerking. The rest of us just don't give a sh!t.

I have to say i certainly think income should be increased in c1 to c4 (or atleast c1 and c2) the risk people take in them compared to level 4's in hisec or incursions is a bit of a joke

let me ask you this is there greater risk in a wh doing sites or in hisec doing stuff??

yes you can be war decced and while it wont affect wh's as much a small group living in a c1 or c2 will be affected alot more than a big c5 or c6 group as they have loads of alts to haul while the c1 c2 guys probably don't

people in a c1 and c3 with static hisec lowsec wont be able to "roll for endless wh sites as you say"

yeah people in c2 might be able to but depending on static they might not have the numbers or experience to do some of the stuff (eg 1 person can do a c2 but he might not be able to do the stuff in a c4 static)

Keeping a eye on the wh means a alt so effectively halving isk per charcter and yeah dscan which is ok unless they already in your wh waiting. I know a fair few peopel who just sit in a cloaky prot in a wh waiting for people to do sites and no watching wh or dscan will help at all then.

and while not in c1 to c4 watching dscan and wh work so well against BU and log on traps

That depends on the situation. If i was a L4 runner and i got war deced, the risk of being attacked would be pretty high.

I can only speak from personal experience but when i lived in a lower class wormhole as part of a small group, i was very cautious when running sites and it was vary rare that i got caught out. If i felt the risk was too high (no corp mates online) i would either take a cheap ship like a drake or go and do something else (pvp, scout).

All wormholes can be rolled so i'll stick to me belief that the potential to earn isk in wormhole space is limitless. However, if you live in a hole that is not fit for your needs, that is your problem. You can either find a new one or make the one you have work for you.

I don't think buffing C2 sleepers sites would do anything positive for wormhole space. Buffing lower classes would just encourage the farming mentality. People should be incentivize to run sites in their static.

TL;DR: Risk is relative and if you don't like the isk to risk ratio in your hole - move!