Wormholes

Bane I think if you track back to my response to your OP, the "likes" it gets from smaller WH corp members and the "Man The **** Up Dude" threats that come in after from the likes of Kalel from SkyFighters you'll see why lower grade WH'ers don't want to post, don't want to contribute and ultimately you will lose thousands of potential votes.

You literally can't post anything on here that is slightly derogatory of the large corp forum warrior regulars without it getting called a troll, shouted down or replied to with a thinly-veiled threat.

I've always been serious about wormhole space, but I couldn't care less about any campaign, as I am not running.

Secondly, people can post all they want to. Sorry if you feel "left out" but I am here for fun and for laughs. Anyone is more than welcomed to shoot the shiit in any thread I make. Anyone who has flown with me knows how much I help the newer people, in all classes of wormhole space. I don't need to make threads to help. I go out and do it, in game, where it matters.




Why should you give a response?

Because when it comes to the discussion of what wormhole space should be like, or changes that are made, it tends to come from the c5/c6 crowd. As someone who promoted the shiit out of lower class wormhole space, I can tell you it needs more voices. N0mex is the one of the biggest corps in wormhole space. You guys should be front and center when these discussions come up.

It literally took less than an hour from my post on the forums for someone from Hard Knocks to enter our public channel, start talking smack about our POS locations and those of our former alliance members in the hole with us. Maybe it is for the LOLs, maybe it is just BS, who the hell knows but who wants to deal with that?

One hour

And you wonder why people don't post.

Dude my balls are just fine. Have you checked when the last time you killed anything over a retriever without five of your BF's with you?

The only point I can add is that many of people's assumptions about j-space, specifically its inhabitants, are wrong.

We moved as a three man band into a C4, evicting a clan of mining carebears along the way. We're now a relatively successful WH PvP corp in a C2. A lot of our motivation for lower class life comes from the pew, our small size, and the lack of any real desire to give up easy k-space access for escalation isk.

Cabin fever sets in real quick in a C4. We imagine C5s to be worse.

No, I remember getting blap in null while camping a gate. We knew we were going to die, we just wanted to kill a lot before going down. But the problem is not pvp. The problem is that you dont talk cause you preffer to be ignored, low profile, not speaking up your mind on how improve your environment. It doesnt mind that your ideas are wrong, stupidd or pure gold. Participate, make things happens. If I had to ract every time an idea of mine gets ignored or thrashed down I should have quitted a long time ago. Man the **** up, participate, make a change.

There is always things to disscuss and improve. But if someone always come to ask help cause they are lazy to not figure it out by themselves, that is when the trolling happens. Best example is Bane. He comes from a c2 background and I havent seen him getting trolled that I can remember.

Low-class person checking in (double entendre intended).

My organization has lived in a C2 for a while now, something like 2 years (multiple C2's), I personally have been living in our current C2 for a bit over a year now. A lot of people mentioned Xenophobia being a main cause for low-class dwellers being silent on the forums. I'd say to a degree that may be true, and it was the case for us in the past. I think a lot of the ideas discussed here are neat, but many just would benefit deeper w-space more than low-class holes.

For example the idea of a "market structure" to allow easy trading between people in-organization (or even out of). For low-class holers, getting to k-space tends to be easier, and its simpler to just throw it up on contracts in the k-space exit system for the other dude to pick up when he has time.

A lot of folks have already echoed my feelings on this subject. The organization I belong to has become more vocal in recent months in the forums (mostly me though ;)), and I have already stated some of the things that I would like to see change in W-Space to help us lowly low-classers.

Inside our organization, I can say we're pretty happy living in a C2. Sure, now and then people will start mumbling about moving to a C5 or C6 someday, but the reality of the situation is that we're a small organization of close-knit friends who've grown up in EVE together for many, many years. The vast majority of us have spent time in low-sec, nullsec, etc, and W-space just ended up being that 'sweet spot' where we felt we fit in properly.

Why don't we move on up? Well, we really don't NPC that much. We're poor as a result more or less, so moving up to a C5/C6 seems kind of insane for us. We don't even farm the static we've got (C4), or even our own anoms in our C2 (those are there to bait people into our hole, right?). Finances are a big part of it. Our group tends to only get satisfaction from PVP these days, so we farm maybe once a month if we're lucky, which is barely enough to cover losses from day-to-day PVP, and that seems to be the way people like it.

On top of that, the vast majority of us are folks who rank EVE 2nd in priority over anything RL requires. Virtually nobody in our organization will drop real-life stuff if something is going on in EVE (unless that real-life stuff is something like watching TV or whatever). We feel as an organization that we simply do not have the manpower or play-time to be able to successfully live deeper in w-space.

I still maintain the single most helpful thing to an organization like us is giving us the ability to recruit safely without a lot of "hacks" and "workarounds". Yes, w-space was never meant to be inhabited, but we're not the first group to 'live out of POS's". Back in the day before huge nullsec BLOCs, it was not uncommon for an organization to setup shop in a small constellation of Nullsec and live out of POS's for several months until they scraped enough ISK together collectively to deploy an outpost (I was part of one of those groups). Even then security and recruitment was near on impossible due to the shared nature of POS storage.

Personal Hangar Arrays helped, and I'm sure a Personal SMA would be super helpful, but it will likely have some weird things about it like the personal hangar arrays (unlimited storage overall, but limited per player, and not percentage based, but rather a hard number limit, etc).

I think to really make our lives simpler would be to change the CHA to act the same as a high/null/lowsec station hangar, where directors can see/put into others' hangars, but can't take. I also think this unlimited storage overall crap is stupid. The Personal Hangar Array and (someday) Personal Ship Maintenance Array should have a total size limit (same as the regular CHA/SMA), and each pilot is given X% based on total users, so if there's 4 users with stuff there, everyone gets 25% of that space.

It all comes down to recruitment for us though. Whenever the discussions of moving to deeper wormholes comes up, it gets shot down pretty quick because we don't have the manpower to survive there, and we can't get the manpower because we don't trust people we don't know (this IS EVE afterall), and we don't have the time/manpower to setup shell corporations to hold new recruits in and nurture them, or any of the other numerous "hacks" and "workarounds" people employ to get around the security issues.

Aside from that, the only real "issue" we run into regularly is the whole C4 superhighway crap, but its not a "regular" problem, just an occasional one. I love the idea of giving C4's another w-space static (NOT K-SPACE), that would give a lot more variety for us finding targets through our C4 static, whereas currently often times our C4 leads to a C4, which leads to a C4, which leads to a C4, etc. And all of those C4s are inhabited by Russian towers (no offense to Russians, just the trend I've noticed) with zero pilots in space (due to timezone generally).

It would be glorious for our C4 static to have say, a C5 static, or a C3 static, just to get some variety and potential for more targets.

For me, the strangest part of everything is that we feel more secure recruiting entire corporations into our Alliance, rather than recruiting individual pilots into corporations within our alliance. Why? Because its a lot more secure to bring an entire corp in, let them setup their own tower, etc. There is zero security risk there (other than the potential of said corp bringing the hammer down and engaging in full on conflict).

TL;DR: Sensibly designed Personal SMA's would help us a ton, pls kthx. :)

That makes two of us lol



I tell that story all the time haha! No one ever believes it. "Why would anyone want to stay in a c2?" is what I was asked more than a million times. The answer was always simple. The class of wormhole is second to the group of people you fly with and the culture they create. It's why you will never see me shiittng on anyone for what class of wh they live in.



I listen..always and forever

Dude, I assure you my intentions are always good and I came to talk to you in peace.
True, I am watching and I DO enjoy watching...

Now, Wald is really upset. Now I look like some wierdo stalker with no life that skims the forums in pursuit of excitement in bullying small entities. And this is totally not true!

My goal was different... i think.