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Winchester Steele
#61 - 2014-03-05 10:42:51 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Oh it does. It means exactly what I think it does.

Nope.

Infact a liberal, in the true sense of the word, is against intervention in private affairs and places weight on personal freedom of action, as well as personal responsibility for those actions.

You have contrived the term to mean its exact opposite.



You sir, are an idiot who lacks reading comprehension. I won't even waste one more post on such a poor troll.

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Winchester Steele
#62 - 2014-03-05 10:43:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Oh it does. It means exactly what I think it does.

Nope.

Infact a liberal, in the true sense of the word, is against intervention in private affairs and places weight on personal freedom of action, as well as personal responsibility for those actions.

You have contrived the term to mean its exact opposite.


That's a libertarian.

A liberal is someone who tells other people what to do with their money.



ahh, this guy knows.. you HAVE to be Canadian lmao

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#63 - 2014-03-05 10:45:17 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Oh it does. It means exactly what I think it does.

Nope.

Infact a liberal, in the true sense of the word, is against intervention in private affairs and places weight on personal freedom of action, as well as personal responsibility for those actions.

You have contrived the term to mean its exact opposite.


That's a libertarian.

A liberal is someone who tells other people what to do with their money.



ahh, this guy knows.. you HAVE to be Canadian lmao


Nope. American, actually. But I do love me some Kraft Dinner.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-03-05 10:46:25 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Okay, this seems to be an american thing. o.o

I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
Salvos Rhoska
#65 - 2014-03-05 10:48:24 UTC
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Okay, this seems to be an american thing. o.o


Yes, and something the rest of the world looks on with some degree of bemusement.

They've basically inverted the terms completely to mean something that they literally, by definition, don't.

Its really quite funny.

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Winchester Steele
#66 - 2014-03-05 10:50:27 UTC
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Okay, this seems to be an american thing. o.o



I'm no American. Sorry.

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Salvos Rhoska
#67 - 2014-03-05 10:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Winchester Steele wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Okay, this seems to be an american thing. o.o



I'm no American. Sorry.


More the pity, that you should have adopted their deliberate perversions of these terms actual meanings.

JFYI, North Americans, these words and concepts mean something completely different (and closer to their actual definition) in the rest of the world outside your continent.

Its also hilarious you thought another guy was Canadian, though he was infact American.
And someone thought you where American, though you are infact Canadian.
That, to me., is extremely hilarious in this context.

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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-03-05 10:59:56 UTC
Qweasdy wrote:
I'd almost feel bad for him if he wasn't a total prick

Pretty much this, seems like an arrogant smug douche, well, a bit less smug right about now probably...
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2014-03-05 11:11:52 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i can bear with the first page, but the last one was too much.....i understand this game is like real life, but i didnt expect that lvl of bullying with the poor guy, goddammit have some respect with the victim, assholes.......


Seriously? He threatens to take real world vengeance on people who ganked him in a video game and you believe people playing the game within the rules of engagement are in the wrong?

He should be sitting out a 30 day ban and be removed from the CSM for those threats!


More like 30 days in jail with the guys he claim to defend through his job... If he really was a lawyer, he would know he is merely a word or 2 from potentially be dragged to court for treats...
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#70 - 2014-03-05 11:14:58 UTC
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.
Salvos Rhoska
#71 - 2014-03-05 11:16:57 UTC
Karak Bol wrote:
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.


Ownership of virtual assets is not something that has really congealed in law yet.
Could swing either way. Time and precedent will tell.

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I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2014-03-05 11:18:17 UTC
To read the posts in this thread is disgusting.

It makes me wanna vomit.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#73 - 2014-03-05 11:20:45 UTC


How people can make RL threats over space pixels is beyond me. Yet gankers are the ones who are accused of having "issues".



Hory. Sheet.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-03-05 11:25:25 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.


Ownership of virtual assets is not something that has really congealed in law yet.
Could swing either way. Time and precedent will tell.

Let us hope it swings the way that will prohibit the taxing of virtual assets in video games.... "Well mr *RL name*, it seems you have several thousands of euros worth of virtual assets on various games. You didn't file those in your tax report!", "Whut? I'm just playing a game dude...", "That might well be but the law states you are required to pay taxes over those, we want 30% of that in taxes, oh, and the 150% fine for not filing it in the first place! Haha!".

Cause that's the route we're heading for if we are going to treat virtual assets in games as real economic assets.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-03-05 11:25:41 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Okay, this seems to be an american thing. o.o



I'm no American. Sorry.


More the pity, that you should have adopted their deliberate perversions of these terms actual meanings.

JFYI, North Americans, these words and concepts mean something completely different (and closer to their actual definition) in the rest of the world outside your continent.

Its also hilarious you thought another guy was Canadian, though he was infact American.
And someone thought you where American, though you are infact Canadian.
That, to me., is extremely hilarious in this context.



American politics is rather strange and confusing to outsiders. To many Americans for example Anarchism is a right wing conservative economic doctrine not the radical far left extremism it means elsewhere.

Even the politics in America is skewed. Their leftist parties are what the rest of the world would call centrist or middle right and their "extreme left" is actually what the rest of the world would call moderate centre left. in the rest of the world, its the left wing activists that tend to be radical and kill people, in the US its extreme right wing Bible Belters that set bombs and assinate politicians and kill abortion doctors.



sooo ... aside from being a discusion outside the forum rules likely to get the thread locked ... its also pointless when even the rterminology means different stuff.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#76 - 2014-03-05 11:27:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.


Ownership of virtual assets is not something that has really congealed in law yet.
Could swing either way. Time and precedent will tell.


The EULA you agreed to is a binding contract.

You own nothing in this game. Nothing.

There's no wiggle room for you to talk about lawsuits, or any such bullshit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#77 - 2014-03-05 11:28:25 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.


Ownership of virtual assets is not something that has really congealed in law yet.
Could swing either way. Time and precedent will tell.

Let us hope it swings the way that will prohibit the taxing of virtual assets in video games.... "Well mr *RL name*, it seems you have several thousands of euros worth of virtual assets on various games. You didn't file those in your tax report!", "Whut? I'm just playing a game dude...", "That might well be but the law states you are required to pay taxes over those, we want 30% of that in taxes, oh, and the 150% fine for not filing it in the first place! Haha!".

Cause that's the route we're heading for if we are going to treat virtual assets in games as real economic assets.


Yeah, after reading the article I was struck with the thought if it might even be conceivable for The Mittani to convince a IRL bank/fund manager of some kind to give him a loan or investment based on his collateral in-game. I wouldn't put it past him lol.

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Lawson Finch
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-03-05 11:28:33 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.


Ownership of virtual assets is not something that has really congealed in law yet.
Could swing either way. Time and precedent will tell.


Ownership of the virtual assets is clear the EULA, no congealing, swinging, time or precedent necessary:

EULA wrote:

CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-03-05 11:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:

Let us hope it swings the way that will prohibit the taxing of virtual assets in video games.... "Well mr *RL name*, it seems you have several thousands of euros worth of virtual assets on various games. You didn't file those in your tax report!", "Whut? I'm just playing a game dude...", "That might well be but the law states you are required to pay taxes over those, we want 30% of that in taxes, oh, and the 150% fine for not filing it in the first place! Haha!".

Cause that's the route we're heading for if we are going to treat virtual assets in games as real economic assets.


There is a recent Dutch court ruling that declares they are actually assets and can in fact be stolen and declared the particular game EULA irrelevant and not binding in criminal law. Though in the Dutch case the "theft" of the in game assets occurred in the real world. Neverhteless it really depends on your jurisdiction.
Salvos Rhoska
#80 - 2014-03-05 11:30:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lawson Finch wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
I wonder why until now no one mentioned (or at least I didnt see it) that this guy actually didn´t lose anything. You do not own something in eve, CCP just lets you use it. Its in the EULA somewhere. Characters, ships, Plexes all belong to CCP. So no robbery, no larceny, no racketeering, just a guy who lost a game.


Ownership of virtual assets is not something that has really congealed in law yet.
Could swing either way. Time and precedent will tell.


Ownership of the virtual assets is clear the EULA, no congealing, swinging, time or precedent necessary:

EULA wrote:

CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content



And Kaarous Aldurald.

The EULA is not law. Its just an agreement. Elements of it may or may not be actually legally binding depending on the laws, specifics of an issue, disposition of a particular judge, of where-ever an issue is brought before a court. You can put whatever you want into a contract/agreement/whatever, but that doesn't mean that those elements are actually legally binding, nor that the EULA itself, in its entirety, is legally binding.

Furthermore, the EULA is an agreement between the individual and CCP.
As such, it does not have direct bearing on the conduct or legality of one individual towards another, whether that be ingame or out.

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