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RLML POLL

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Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-03-07 00:55:51 UTC
BECAUSE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ISK BALANCE. (LEL)

THIS THREAD WILL NOT BE DERAILED.
Jester Cap
A better day
#42 - 2014-03-07 02:06:24 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.


You made it about ISK balance. Selective amnesia?
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-03-07 02:27:18 UTC
THE OPINIONS OF PLEBIANS WHO DO NOT PVP, MINDLESSLY BLOB, WHO ARE BAD AT THIS GAME, WHO CANNOT FOCUS ON TOPIC, AND DONT KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE DISREGARDED.

ALLOW ME TO REMIND PEOPLE WHO CANT READ, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT A POLL. POST YOUR TEARS THERE NOT HERE.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-03-07 03:19:36 UTC
POLL IS AT 80 PEOPLE VOTED. LETS GET IT TO 100 GUYS.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-03-07 04:28:21 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
Jester Cap wrote:
Brutor Trash wrote:
LOL HOW 2 READ


Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.


LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY.
THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD.

#RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014
#BRINGING BACK RISE
#REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO


Please learn how to PvP without using unbalanced modules. Every thing in the game has its pros and cons. Including your precious RLML. It is fine the way it is. It has a long load time just like the ASB for a reason. Show me any other weapon of that caliber that can hit frigate sized ships and project the same amount of damage at the same range. It's not out there. For a reason.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-03-07 04:35:49 UTC
LOL SHOW ME A POLL.

OVER 90 VOTES. ALMOST TO 100 GOAL. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK CITIZENS OF NEW EDEN YOU GUYS ROCK.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-03-07 04:49:49 UTC
No need to vote. The votes might get one or two bored REAL PVPers and the rest will be forum warriors and trolls. CCP has the in-game data to show them what does and doesn't work. Those who know have tried to reason with you, the rest are actually out PVPing and not crying on the forums because their newest OP toy was fixed. However, don't let me stop your tears with common sense and logic. Cry on mighty warrior, cry on. \o
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-03-07 05:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutor Trash
LOL I THINK I SEE TEARS COLLECTING IN YOUR MONOCLE.

ANYWAYS, 100 VOTES GOAL ATTAINED AND EXCEEDED HERE ARE THE RESULTS:

IN A SAMPLE SIZE OF 101 EVE PLAYERS:

51% OF VOTERS (52 votes) BELIEVE RLML SHOULD BE REVERTED TO PRE-NERF STATS.
22% OF VOTERS (22 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS UNDERPOWERED AND NEEDED BUFFS.
3% OF VOTERS (3 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS OVERPOWERED AND NEEDED FURTHER NERFS.
14% OF VOTERS (14 VOTES) BELIEVE RLML IS FINE AS IS.
10% OF VOTERS (10 VOTES) DONT CARE.

HERE ARE THE RESULTS YOU CAN CHECK THEM OUT YOURSELF AS VOTING CONTINUES BY THE LINK POSTED IN THE FIRST POST.

LETS TRY TO GO FOR A SAMPlE SIZE OF 150. THE HIGHER WE GO THE MORE TRUE POPULATION IS REPRESENTED.

KEEP THE VOTES COMING GUYS. LETS BREAK 150.

EDIT: OVER 700 VIEWS BUT ONLY LITTLE OVER 100 VOTES. WE CAN DO BETTER GUYS.
Jaro Essa
Dahkur Forge
#49 - 2014-03-07 07:42:10 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I suggest that one option is that it becomes a dual function weapon, that can either operate as a standard light missile launcher with a normal reload time or as a rapid missile launcher front loading the damage, basically giving the players a choice in how to engage.

Sure, if we can also have blasters that morph into railguns when I feel like shooting at things that are far away. Or Hobgoblins that change into Warriors when I'm engaging a fast-moving target.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-03-07 07:51:35 UTC
I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.

Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.

Also, the caps ain't helping.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-03-07 08:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutor Trash
Jonas Staal wrote:
I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.

Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.

Also, the caps ain't helping.


REGARDLESS, IT WILL BECOME ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA FOR CCP TO ANALYZE. AND FOR THE RECORD, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE THAN WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY DO: NOTHING. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF RLML PROTESTS. I THINK THIS THREAD GOT MOVED TO CAREBEAR SECTION OR SOMETHING. ALL IM GETTING IS WHINERS.

AS LONG AS THE NUMBERS OF THE POLL KEEP RISING, POPULATION INACCURACY KEEPS DECREASING.
EDIT: HEH, THAT IS THE THEORY ANYWAY.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2014-03-07 09:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Staal
Brutor Trash wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.

Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.

Also, the caps ain't helping.


REGARDLESS, IT WILL BECOME ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA FOR CCP TO ANALYZE. AND FOR THE RECORD, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE THAN WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY DO: NOTHING. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF RLML PROTESTS. I THINK THIS THREAD GOT MOVED TO CAREBEAR SECTION OR SOMETHING. ALL IM GETTING IS WHINERS.

AS LONG AS THE NUMBERS OF THE POLL KEEP RISING, POPULATION INACCURACY KEEPS DECREASING.
EDIT: HEH, THAT IS THE THEORY ANYWAY.


I highlighted the irony.

Edit: I underlined it aswel because the highlight gets lost in your wall of caps.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-03-07 09:31:52 UTC
Have you considered the option where you are wrong?
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-03-07 09:32:21 UTC
HAVE YOU?
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-03-07 09:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Set out last week with 4 RLML Cerbs, Rapier and Arazu in a gang with a tag along interceptor who is there to allow us to warp across grid. We ended up fighting against a gang of 15 or so varying in size from frigate to cruiser. The result was a massacre.

By the time the 4 Cerbs were empty about half the enemy fleet were a twisted pile of metal, warp across grid to not get tackled while reloading, warp back into the celestial again. The really amazing part was that the survivors stuck around for round 2.... Round 2 ended up just being free-fire because frigates don't last anywhere near long enough to call out primaries.

As a lone ship I would not use RLMLs but on a small gang scale that dps and application at the range achieved by Cerbs is nothing short of impressive, you just need a plan for what to do when your clip is running low. RLMLs are simply a weapon you need planning to use effectively rather than just being the go-to weapon for all missile platforms that can fit them.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-03-07 09:56:13 UTC
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
Set out last week with 4 RLML Cerbs, Rapier and Arazu in a gang with a tag along interceptor who is there to allow us to warp across grid. We ended up fighting against a gang of 15 or so varying in size from frigate to cruiser. The result was a massacre.

By the time the 4 Cerbs were empty about half that fleet were a twisted pile of metal, warp across grid to not get tackled while reloading, warp back into the celestial again. The really amazing part was that the survivors stuck around for round 2.... Round 2 ended up just being free-fire because frigates don't last anywhere near long enough to call out primaries.

As a lone ship I would not use RLMLs but on a small gang scale that dps and application at the range achieved by Cerbs is nothing short of impressive, you just need a plan for what to do when your clip is running low. RLMLs are simply a weapon you need planning to use effectively rather than just being the go-to weapon for all missile platforms that can fit them.


I AM GLAD YOU HAVE SHARED YOUR STORY. YOU ARE IMO USING THE WEAPON SYSTEM IN THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY INTENDED IN A GROUP. WHICH, CONTRARY TO MY NAYSAYERS OPINIONS RESULTS IN A BIGGER MASSACRE THAN PRE-NERF DUE TO THE RIDICULOUS DPS BUFF. IMO, THIS IS VERY GOOD. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RETURN TO SOLO FIGHTING AS WELL AND THE 35s RELOAD IS A BIT OF A TURN OFF. BUT TO EACH THEIR OWN, I WELCOME DIFFERING OPINIONS HENCE A POLL WITH SEVERAL OPTIONS.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-03-07 11:12:14 UTC
RLML need a bit of tweaking. What bothers me just as much is that there's just no good alternative either. If you fit HAMs or HMs you will do the most horrible damage against small, fast ships. You fit RLML, you get 35 second reloads for just average damage. Rockets on the other hand are amazing. Cruiser sized weapon platforms, not so much.

Personally, I've trained up turrets instead. :P
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2014-03-07 12:31:54 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
LOL I THINK I SEE TEARS COLLECTING IN YOUR MONOCLE.

ANYWAYS, 100 VOTES GOAL ATTAINED AND EXCEEDED HERE ARE THE RESULTS:

IN A SAMPLE SIZE OF 101 EVE PLAYERS:

51% OF VOTERS (52 votes) BELIEVE RLML SHOULD BE REVERTED TO PRE-NERF STATS.
22% OF VOTERS (22 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS UNDERPOWERED AND NEEDED BUFFS.
3% OF VOTERS (3 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS OVERPOWERED AND NEEDED FURTHER NERFS.
14% OF VOTERS (14 VOTES) BELIEVE RLML IS FINE AS IS.
10% OF VOTERS (10 VOTES) DONT CARE.

HERE ARE THE RESULTS YOU CAN CHECK THEM OUT YOURSELF AS VOTING CONTINUES BY THE LINK POSTED IN THE FIRST POST.

LETS TRY TO GO FOR A SAMPlE SIZE OF 150. THE HIGHER WE GO THE MORE TRUE POPULATION IS REPRESENTED.

KEEP THE VOTES COMING GUYS. LETS BREAK 150.

EDIT: OVER 700 VIEWS BUT ONLY LITTLE OVER 100 VOTES. WE CAN DO BETTER GUYS.


Self selected participation in a poll is not a valid mechanism for ascertaining anything at all.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2014-03-07 13:35:34 UTC
If the rapid launchers were just too rapid at doing their jobs a better change would have been to alter the RoF hull bonuses on the Caracal and Cerb to not apply to them. Another acceptable change either by itself or with the hull bonus change would have been to decrease their capacity a bit as a more frequent 10s reload would be better than the current 35 seconds of sitting there with your thumb up your...

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2014-03-07 13:40:45 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Brutor Trash wrote:
because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.


My raven does better than you. You are doing something very wrong.


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