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RLML POLL

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Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#21 - 2014-03-06 10:04:40 UTC
Firtsly thanks to ISD Ezwal for protecting my innocent eyes.

RLML are pretty rubbish especially with the 40 secs reload time and therefore I will never use them.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2014-03-06 10:12:08 UTC
The other translation for the above is (as usual) someone with entitlement issues.

Please OP, just be honest. Tell the class how your "main" could kill whole frig gangs without any risk before the chamge. And how that is proper as you spent x+1 isk more than they did. (Since you have gone back to the isk balance argument). Just what do you feel is the correct isk to immunity ratio? Should a navy drake be able to trump your hac? It has cruiser sized weapons and costs more? That seems to be the sum of your points.

It's an empty argument at best.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-03-06 10:27:26 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.


Find me another HAC that can kill 2 inties.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-03-06 11:48:27 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
need moar power
anyone can see rlml is trash
plz fix


RLML are actually very very good in their niche environment.
They do a huge amount of front loaded damage that applies well to small targets.
If anything i am seeing more RLML setups now that frigs are cool again than i ever did before (nullsec).
I pretty much assume that caracals are RLML now and i am seeing oh so many caracals.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2014-03-06 15:45:30 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.


My raven does better than you. You are doing something very wrong.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-03-06 21:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Froggy Storm wrote:
The other translation for the above is (as usual) someone with entitlement issues.

Please OP, just be honest. Tell the class how your "main" could kill whole frig gangs without any risk before the chamge. And how that is proper as you spent x+1 isk more than they did. (Since you have gone back to the isk balance argument). Just what do you feel is the correct isk to immunity ratio? Should a navy drake be able to trump your hac? It has cruiser sized weapons and costs more? That seems to be the sum of your points.

It's an empty argument at best.

no its called frig killing weapon system actually kills frigs. i repeat a weapon system that doesn"t suck complete donkey balls.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

rlml are not good in their niche environment. most of the eve community agrees with me. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-03-06 21:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Brutor Trash wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
need moar power
anyone can see rlml is trash
plz fix


RLML are actually very very good in their niche environment.
They do a huge amount of front loaded damage that applies well to small targets.
If anything i am seeing more RLML setups now that frigs are cool again than i ever did before (nullsec).
I pretty much assume that caracals are RLML now and i am seeing oh so many caracals.


it is true they do a huge amount of frontal damage that apply well however the problem is you cannot take out anything with substantial tank before reload. once reload begins you are screwed. frigs no longer have a hard counter asides from disco battleship anymore. who wants to suicide battleships to kill a bunch of meta 0 fit frig blobs? okay just sometimes. )))

this is a victory for f1 idiots and people butt hurt a cruiser can kill their frig. for people butthurt their blob of 1 million isk meta 0 frig can't suicide derp into a cruiser worth 40 times that amount and still come out isk positive.

35S reload is crap.


Edit: As I suspect the lettering was a tiny bit to small the last time I asked you: PLEASE STOP POSTING IN ALL CAPS! ISD Ezwal.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-03-06 22:25:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Brutor Trash wrote:
because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.


My raven does better than you. You are doing something very wrong.


https://zkillboard.com/detail/37182116/
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-03-06 23:03:53 UTC
SURELY THIS THREAD HAS MORE TO OFFER THAN A BUNCH OF SCARED FRIG BLOBBERS LIKE FROGGY STORM WHO ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A HARD COUNTER. FRIG BLOBBERS SO SCARED THERE MIGHT BE A TOOL TO HARD COUNTER THEM. FRIG BLOBS HAVE A COUNTER. AS THEY SHOULD. RLML IS IT. #BRING IT BACK. WITHOUT THEM ALL MOST PEOPLE WILL DO IS BLOB PEOPLE WITH FRIGATES WITH NO FEAR.

FRIG PILOTS DON'T LIKE THE FACT THERE IS A COUNTER TO THEIR SHIP CLASS. THAT DOESNT MATTER. BALANCE CALLS FOR IT. EVE NEEDS A HERO. RLML WILL SAVE IT. #2014



Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-03-06 23:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Froggy Storm
Brutor Trash wrote:
SURELY THIS THREAD HAS MORE TO OFFER THAN A BUNCH OF SCARED FRIG BLOBBERS LIKE FROGGY STORM WHO ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A HARD COUNTER. FRIG BLOBBERS SO SCARED THERE MIGHT BE A TOOL TO HARD COUNTER THEM. FRIG BLOBS HAVE A COUNTER. AS THEY SHOULD. RLML IS IT. #BRING IT BACK. WITHOUT THEM ALL MOST PEOPLE WILL DO IS BLOB PEOPLE WITH FRIGATES WITH NO FEAR.

FRIG PILOTS DON'T LIKE THE FACT THERE IS A COUNTER TO THEIR SHIP CLASS. THAT DOESNT MATTER. BALANCE CALLS FOR IT. EVE NEEDS A HERO. RLML WILL SAVE IT. #2014





So can you kill the frig or not? You just said you could kill 1 or 2 of them earlier then said you cant kill any. Your caps lock has you confused I think. Surely you cant have it both ways. I will ask again, "Just how many frigs SHOULD your solo cerb be able to kill?" Are you honestly suggesting that isk should be at a 1:1 ratio purely based on one wep system? So by your thought is that a single cerb should be able to (as you put it) derp into that frig gang and kill 200-300 of them? Really now?

If two of them is insufficient to your sense of "correctness" I should think you can back this up with other cases in eve where big ship X can kill similar number of smaller ships Y based on your argument of it's cost. Oh wait you're a tracking titan fellow aren't you. That explains it.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-03-07 00:00:29 UTC
https://zkillboard.com/detail/36448413/

You are not qualified to talk about PVP.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2014-03-07 00:01:43 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/detail/36448413/

You are not qualified to talk about PVP.


As someone with no KB history at all your argument is invalid. Please try again
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-03-07 00:05:50 UTC
MY ARGUMENT IS VALID. YOU WANT TO THINK IT ISN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER FRIG BLOBBER WHO IS NATURALLY AGAINST RLML BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTER AND THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SWALLOW LIKE A FULL RACK OF RLMLS PEW PEW.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2014-03-07 00:13:35 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
MY ARGUMENT IS VALID. YOU WANT TO THINK IT ISN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER FRIG BLOBBER WHO IS NATURALLY AGAINST RLML BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTER AND THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SWALLOW LIKE A FULL RACK OF RLMLS PEW PEW.



So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.

But we cant have any question of your real motives here can we.

However, you said I am not able to speak about pvp and linked a KM where a CAP was clearing out a warzone. So I ask where is your qualification, besides hidden behing this forum alt? Are you afraid to show that you are also just "blobbing" or where your falcon alt shows up? Some other "elite" pvp you are chosing to hide so we don't call you out on it and make you look more foolish perhaps?

If you want to take shots at people fine, just be aware that doing so behind a sock puppet makes you look like the one who is afraid to have your ideas stand on their own merit. Or lack there of.

And since were on the subject, I for one think that a possible middle ground solution might be to allow a "normal" reload time if you do not have a combat timer on you. That way you can get back to selectable damage, but once you are commited then you are stuck with what you have.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-03-07 00:20:07 UTC
So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.

YEAH BECAUSE 1 CARACAL SHOULD KILL NEARLY 45 HARPIES. COUGH.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2014-03-07 00:24:41 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.

YEAH BECAUSE 1 CARACAL SHOULD KILL NEARLY 45 HARPIES. COUGH.



That seems to be the summation of your argument.

That a cerb with RLML should be able to kill more than some unknown number of frigs based just on the launchers. You've thus far avoided stating how many would be a correct number. (As it would prove my point I think.)
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-03-07 00:33:31 UTC
LOL HOW 2 READ
Jester Cap
A better day
#38 - 2014-03-07 00:36:51 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
LOL HOW 2 READ


Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.
Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-03-07 00:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutor Trash
Jester Cap wrote:
Brutor Trash wrote:
LOL HOW 2 READ


Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.


LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY.
THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD.

#RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014
#BRINGING BACK RISE
#REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO
Jester Cap
A better day
#40 - 2014-03-07 00:46:56 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
Jester Cap wrote:
Brutor Trash wrote:
LOL HOW 2 READ


Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.


LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY.
THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD.

#RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014
#BRINGING BACK RISE
#REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO


I tell you what. Hit me up in game for a duell on this toon and i will show you all about what i can handle and what not.

You can bring your PvP toon alright. Big smile

You argument is moot. ISK balance is a non-factor. RLML caracal and cerb is fine. You are not right just becasue you scream the loudest.