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Reverse Skill Point Management

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The Sinister
Interbellum
#1 - 2014-03-04 13:23:21 UTC
Ok here is the deal:

Imagine if you could somehow get Skill Points to relocate from your own Skills.

Lets say i have a skill I trained in the past and I think it was a waste of time because i currently dont use it for anything.

For Example:
Tolocan Technology Skill to Level 5 (wich is 1,280,000 Skill Points if Im not mistaken)

I Click the Option: Reverse Skill Points to Lvl 4

Now i have Tolocan Technology Lvl 4 and 1,053,725 Skill Points to relocate in any other skill i think is of more importance.

(Note: You can only do this Process once every 24 hours.)

Also you can not unlearn the skill completely, Lvl 1 of the skill you are downgrading will always remain.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#2 - 2014-03-04 13:26:41 UTC
Sinister takes out a TinFoil Hat and put it on and holds on to it LMAO.....
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#3 - 2014-03-04 13:27:40 UTC
-1.

Not being able to reallocate skillpoints makes you think more about your choices, gives you a greater sense of achievement when you finish training something and makes you regret your bad decisions. It also makes it harder for a group of pilots to shift their specialization from one type of fleet to another.

I would hate to see such a thing implemented into the game. Everybody with enough SP would become able to do pretty much anything if they decide to reallocate their SP. It's no fun. And no amount of ISK fee or time limitation will change that imo.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-04 13:29:30 UTC
Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances...
The Sinister
Interbellum
#5 - 2014-03-04 13:32:47 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances...


And it will be keep on coming up in the future because it is a verry good Idea.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#6 - 2014-03-04 13:34:04 UTC
This sort of thing has been suggested before, it was not popular then I doubt it will be so now.

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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#7 - 2014-03-04 13:35:26 UTC
i like the idea tho it isn't new. there are a view problems to make it workable.


  1. you should not get the exact amount to relocate but something like 50% maybe 60% definitely not 100% because people can then bypass it to train every skill with perfect remaps as in remap for Perception/Willpower and train a skill they don't want train it to 5 then down it back to 1 and use the points to train something with Intelligence/Memory
  2. you can now also remove skills that are needed as a prerequisite to inject a book but lower it afterwards, this is hard to fix as the changes in carriers make it possible that people don't meet the prerequisite to train carriers but have the skill trained because CCP changed prerequisite

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-04 13:36:07 UTC
I disagree, you choose where to train - the consequence is the skill progressed. It's up to you to then make use of it. If you choose not to then it is again your choice. This idea would mean basically no planning required to develop a character as you would get to x million SP then just migrate them to your next profession of choice when the mood takes you.
big miker
Frogleap Factories
#9 - 2014-03-04 13:36:15 UTC
If this would perhaps get implemented which I do not think will happen, atleast give it some sort of penalty.
Let's say it costs 50 % of the amount of SP you want to relocate.

Example, if you relocate 500k SP it'll cost you 250k SP of that entire pool. This way it cannot be exploited at all and there is some sort of 'risk' involved.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#10 - 2014-03-04 13:39:18 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Ok here is the deal:

Imagine if you could somehow get Skill Points to relocate from your own Skills.

Lets say i have a skill I trained in the past and I think it was a waste of time because i currently dont use it for anything.

For Example:
Tolocan Technology Skill to Level 5 (wich is 1,280,000 Skill Points if Im not mistaken)

I Click the Option: Reverse Skill Points to Lvl 4

Now i have Tolocan Technology Lvl 4 and 1,053,725 Skill Points to relocate in any other skill i think is of more importance.

(Note: You can only do this Process once every 24 hours.)

Also you can not unlearn the skill completely, Lvl 1 of the skill you are downgrading will always remain.


Ok we are adding a -50% penalty. So instead of getting 1 for 1 you will get 0.5 SP for 1 Sp reversed.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#11 - 2014-03-04 13:41:18 UTC
Instead of every 24 hours, give the ability to completely refund a skill by expending a remap. If you want the skill at a lower level, just buy it back, for those skills like Reactive Armor Hardening that actually do you harm at higher levels.

Thus you dont get to train forever on a perfect remap, and you have to choose to either remap or refund a single skill.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#12 - 2014-03-04 13:42:47 UTC
So if we add the -50% penalty skill point loss:

From the first example wich was the Tolocan Technology Skill instead of getting the 1,053,725 SP i will get 526,862 SP to relocate.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-04 13:42:55 UTC
So 50% of the consequence of your choice to train certain skills. This would be like me trading in 50% of my knowledge in Chemistry (where my degree is) to gain extra knowledge in my IT skills that I currently use in my job. It doesn't make sense to me.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#14 - 2014-03-04 13:46:43 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
So 50% of the consequence of your choice to train certain skills. This would be like me trading in 50% of my knowledge in Chemistry (where my degree is) to gain extra knowledge in my IT skills that I currently use in my job. It doesn't make sense to me.



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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-03-04 13:50:16 UTC
Exactly my point, re-training to a new skill should be from scratch, not with free SP from a discarded skill.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#16 - 2014-03-04 13:53:26 UTC
what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?

Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?

lets not.

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Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-03-04 13:55:14 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances...


And it will be keep on coming up in the future because it is a verry good Idea.

Sounds like something they implemented in WOW, and you want Eve to go the same way? No thanks.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#18 - 2014-03-04 13:56:29 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?

Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?

lets not.


Because its a GAME
! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#19 - 2014-03-04 13:57:22 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
The Sinister wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances...


And it will be keep on coming up in the future because it is a verry good Idea.

Sounds like something they implemented in WOW, and you want Eve to go the same way? No thanks.



I dont know i have never played WoW before.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-03-04 14:00:07 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?

Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?

lets not.


Because its a GAME
! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.


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