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The Nauplius Retirement Fund

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-03-11 21:52:35 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. A loud man is being loud. Just file him under the Diana Kim category and move on, folks.


Diana Kim is a psychopath, but she has never (to my knowledge) carried out the deranged things she claims to support. Primarily due to the lack of nerve it would take to do and the authority to amass the resources and manpower to carry her twisted fantasies out. She is for the most part, harmless.

Nauplius on the other hand is actually a legitimate threat, mostly to the baseliner population. He sacrificed 1 million innocent people as if it was an ordinary thing for a faithful man to do (it's not). This is why he needs to be hunted down. He's not only a raving lunatic, he's a raving lunatic that's willing to act on what he says.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Skye Nico
#62 - 2014-03-11 21:57:38 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Nauplius on the other hand is actually a legitimate threat, mostly to the baseliner population. He sacrificed 1 million innocent people as if it was an ordinary thing for a faithful man to do (it's not). This is why he needs to be hunted down. He's not only a raving lunatic, he's a raving lunatic that's willing to act on what he says.


And what exactly is your long-term plan? Try to make him go bankrupt? Annoy him into staying docked? Get enough people to force him to stay docked?

You are simply delaying whatever he plans to do. And in the meantime, feeding his ego.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-03-11 22:12:15 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Nauplius on the other hand is actually a legitimate threat, mostly to the baseliner population. He sacrificed 1 million innocent people as if it was an ordinary thing for a faithful man to do (it's not). This is why he needs to be hunted down. He's not only a raving lunatic, he's a raving lunatic that's willing to act on what he says.


And what exactly is your long-term plan? Try to make him go bankrupt? Annoy him into staying docked? Get enough people to force him to stay docked?

You are simply delaying whatever he plans to do. And in the meantime, feeding his ego.


I don't believe in an afterlife or a God. I'm not trying to stop him, I'm trying to punish him. If my lack of religious beliefs are wrong, then he will certainly (hopefully?) be punished in the afterlife. However, I do not sleep well at night knowing that he might kick the bucket one day and perish before justice can be delivered.

And that's all I want, for him to be punished. Clearly, I'm not profiting off of this. The skepticism that many people have towards this certainly suggest that if I'm doing this for my ego, then I'm failing miserably.

My goal is to promote justice. Whether you enact this justice because you have a moral obligation to do so or just want to make some ISK is irrelevant to me.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Skye Nico
#64 - 2014-03-11 22:25:29 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I don't believe in an afterlife or a God. I'm not trying to stop him, I'm trying to punish him. If my lack of religious beliefs are wrong, then he will certainly (hopefully?) be punished in the afterlife. However, I do not sleep well at night knowing that he might kick the bucket one day and perish before justice can be delivered.

And that's all I want, for him to be punished. Clearly, I'm not profiting off of this. The skepticism that many people have towards this certainly suggest that if I'm doing this for my ego, then I'm failing miserably.

My goal is to promote justice. Whether you enact this justice because you have a moral obligation to do so or just want to make some ISK is irrelevant to me.


Ah, I was not aware of your hubris to think that you can effectively punish another egger beyond mere annoyance. Carry on.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#65 - 2014-03-11 22:28:50 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I don't believe in an afterlife or a God. I'm not trying to stop him, I'm trying to punish him. If my lack of religious beliefs are wrong, then he will certainly (hopefully?) be punished in the afterlife. However, I do not sleep well at night knowing that he might kick the bucket one day and perish before justice can be delivered.

And that's all I want, for him to be punished. Clearly, I'm not profiting off of this. The skepticism that many people have towards this certainly suggest that if I'm doing this for my ego, then I'm failing miserably.

My goal is to promote justice. Whether you enact this justice because you have a moral obligation to do so or just want to make some ISK is irrelevant to me.


Ah, I was not aware of your hubris to think that you can effectively punish another egger beyond mere annoyance. Carry on.

If done right, annoyance can be an effective punishment.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Skye Nico
#66 - 2014-03-11 22:39:23 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

If done right, annoyance can be an effective punishment.


You think annoyance will feel like a punishment to someone who executed a million slaves? Please. He is likely loving every second of attention, here or elsewhere.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-03-11 22:51:15 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I don't believe in an afterlife or a God. I'm not trying to stop him, I'm trying to punish him. If my lack of religious beliefs are wrong, then he will certainly (hopefully?) be punished in the afterlife. However, I do not sleep well at night knowing that he might kick the bucket one day and perish before justice can be delivered.

And that's all I want, for him to be punished. Clearly, I'm not profiting off of this. The skepticism that many people have towards this certainly suggest that if I'm doing this for my ego, then I'm failing miserably.

My goal is to promote justice. Whether you enact this justice because you have a moral obligation to do so or just want to make some ISK is irrelevant to me.


Ah, I was not aware of your hubris to think that you can effectively punish another egger beyond mere annoyance. Carry on.


A completely new pilot such as yourself is probably completely oblivious to what could happen to Nauplius. Allow me to enlighten you.

Killing a capsuleer over, and over, and over, again isn't a mere annoyance. Their wallet starts getting drained from ship and clone losses. Being hunted with such ferocity means you can never do enough work to replenish those losses. Pretty soon, their livelyhood is completely destroyed and if they don't have a planetside source of income, it's likely they won't even be able to pay for their license anymore. It's even possible that they can no longer upkeep their clone. Each time they die, their memory starts getting wiped.

Not only that, but being killed so many times is just horrible for your reputation. No one will ever think you're a threat if they do their research and find you have been slaughtered continuously. Certainly it would be ironic if his attempt to feed his ego backfired as people diminish it, one kill at a time.

There's also a risk that us foolish capsuleers don't often think about, either through ignorance or because it could drive us mad. The possibility the cloning process fails. Don't take it likely, it's happened before. All it takes is a natural phenomenon such as a super novae or a solar flare to stop the transfer of conciseness, which means you're dead for good. Sometimes a manmade disaster can spell doom for you. What if the station containing your clones was destroyed? The former CEO of Ishukone perished permanently this way. Simply put, cloning isn't foolproof. Every time you die, you risk not being reborn.

And assuming none of this works out. Have you even been podded before? It's not a very pleasant experience I can assure you.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Skye Nico
#68 - 2014-03-11 23:02:44 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

A completely new pilot such as yourself is probably completely oblivious to what could happen to Nauplius. Allow me to enlighten you.

Killing a capsuleer over, and over, and over, again isn't a mere annoyance. Their wallet starts getting drained from ship and clone losses. Being hunted with such ferocity means you can never do enough work to replenish those losses. Pretty soon, their livelyhood is completely destroyed and if they don't have a planetside source of income, it's likely they won't even be able to pay for their license anymore. It's even possible that they can no longer upkeep their clone. Each time they die, their memory starts getting wiped.

Not only that, but being killed so many times is just horrible for your reputation. No one will ever think you're a threat if they do their research and find you have been slaughtered continuously. Certainly it would be ironic if his attempt to feed his ego backfired as people diminish it, one kill at a time.

There's also a risk that us foolish capsuleers don't often think about, either through ignorance or because it could drive us mad. The possibility the cloning process fails. Don't take it likely, it's happened before. All it takes is a natural phenomenon such as a super novae or a solar flare to stop the transfer of conciseness, which means you're dead for good. Sometimes a manmade disaster can spell doom for you. What if the station containing your clones was destroyed? The former CEO of Ishukone perished permanently this way. Simply put, cloning isn't foolproof. Every time you die, you risk not being reborn.

And assuming none of this works out. Have you even been podded before? It's not a very pleasant experience I can assure you.


All of the things you mention require you to be surprisingly effective and continuous alongside others who are also surprisingly effective and continuous. If by some amusing fluke you do get enough people to join in your hunt (which will not happen, especially while he is still in 24th), all it takes is for the target to remain docked until the storm blows over. And of course it will, because people do not have the long-term focus to continue it.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you already knew everything I just said - surely a new pilot does not have more common sense than you. In which case, you are simply trying to cause him pain through podding like your last sentence implies.

Which of course is an absurdly light attempt at punishment for executing a million people that is likely outweighed by the pleasure someone like him gets from the attention.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#69 - 2014-03-11 23:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Skye Nico wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

If done right, annoyance can be an effective punishment.


You think annoyance will feel like a punishment to someone who executed a million slaves? Please. He is likely loving every second of attention, here or elsewhere.

You, have never experienced true annoyance.

P.S. at this point, I don't think the 24th cares enough to defend him actively.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Skye Nico
#70 - 2014-03-11 23:31:40 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Skye Nico wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

If done right, annoyance can be an effective punishment.


You think annoyance will feel like a punishment to someone who executed a million slaves? Please. He is likely loving every second of attention, here or elsewhere.

You, have never experienced true annoyance.

P.S. at this point, I don't think the 24th cares enough to defend him actively.


The point is the relational downside for militia members to attack him. Some have already stated they are not willing to take that side-effect.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-03-11 23:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Skye Nico wrote:


All of the things you mention require you to be surprisingly effective and continuous alongside others who are also surprisingly effective and continuous. If by some amusing fluke you do get enough people to join in your hunt (which will not happen, especially while he is still in 24th),


Not really. All it takes is one dedicated pilot or a handful of partially dedicated pilots to really screw with him.

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all it takes is for the target to remain docked until the storm blows over. And of course it will, because people do not have the long-term focus to continue it.


Again, this is where your lack of experience shows. There are people who will literally wait by a gate, station, or other point in space for days, weeks, and in extreme cases, even months for their target to show up. In null security space, cloaked pilots eager to disrupt an alliance's industrial or ratting operations are there pretty much indefinitely. In high security space, trade routes are constantly staked out. Time is always on the side of the person camping it out, especially if money is involved.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Skye Nico
#72 - 2014-03-12 00:31:29 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:


Not really. All it takes is one dedicated pilot or a handful of partially dedicated pilots to really screw with him.


You have been talking about some immense punishment, not just "screwing with him."

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Again, this is where your lack of experience shows. There are people who will literally wait by a gate, station, or other point in space for days, weeks, and in extreme cases, even months for their target to show up. In null security space, cloaked pilots eager to disrupt an alliance's industrial or ratting operations are there pretty much indefinitely. In high security space, trade routes are constantly staked out. Time is always on the side of the person camping it out, especially if money is involved.


You are overestimating how much people care about him. In those other cases you mentioned, there are significant assets at stake. This is not a trade route, this is not alliance operations. This is one loud heretic that murdered a million people. The outraged will get over it.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#73 - 2014-03-12 00:40:26 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
The outraged will get over it.


You are correct, and assertions that you lack experience do not seem very convincing.

My only modification would be that the "outraged" never really were to begin with. This is the Fundamental Truth revealed by New Prophet Nauplius: so much has become fake.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-03-12 00:47:33 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:


You have been talking about some immense punishment, not just "screwing with him."


My diction is irrelevant. I'm not a pious asshat who feels the need to describe everything in a hyperbolic way all the time. I want to see Nauplius punished and changing to an informal tone due to the tedium of this back and forth doesn't change that.

Skye Nico wrote:

You are overestimating how much people care about him. In those other cases you mentioned, there are significant assets at stake. This is not a trade route, this is not alliance operations. This is one loud heretic that murdered a million people. The outraged will get over it.


This is one loud heretic that murdered a million people and has a price on his head. And before you say it isn't much, I already have plans to up the ante' .

You're right, they don't care that much about what he did. They will care if I offer a nice reward however. I've started pulling some strings and plan on making an announcement soon.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2014-03-12 01:31:37 UTC
Yay announcements! Those are always fun!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Skye Nico
#76 - 2014-03-12 03:44:42 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I want to see Nauplius punished

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
You're right, they don't care that much about what he did


This was my point to begin with.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#77 - 2014-03-12 12:58:24 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

Unfortunately, due to the automated nature of the Amarr Militia Standings system, PIE inc. can only afford a symbolic gesture or two in his direction. We are petitioning the relevant authorities on the matter, given his clear conversion to Blood Raider Heresy.


Because I have no particular beef with PIE and would not have their well-deserved standing with the holy Amarr Empire unduly damaged on my behalf, I will gladly accept use of the CONCORD sanctioned limited engagement mechanism while I am in the warzone or in Mehatoor. I offer the same to SFRIM.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-03-12 13:10:57 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I want to see Nauplius punished

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
You're right, they don't care that much about what he did


This was my point to begin with.


Then what are we talking about? The whole point of this thread was to motivate people with money if morals weren't enough (or as a bonus).

If that's your point, then all you did is point out the obvious.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Skye Nico
#79 - 2014-03-12 15:31:03 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:


Then what are we talking about? The whole point of this thread was to motivate people with money if morals weren't enough (or as a bonus).

If that's your point, then all you did is point out the obvious.


My point was that you personally wanted to see him punished, but that you were severely overestimating how much others care about him and will not be able to effectively punish him for that reason as well as his ego liking the attention. Once we came full circle and you stated that yes, it was you who wanted him punished and not everyone else, I was fine with leaving it there. I was merely aiming to find out whether you would admit that others did not care, that this was a personal vendetta for you, and that you would continue it even though you knew it would be ineffective.

If you would like to continue the discussion, this can easily be restarted by just reading it over again in an infinite loop.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-03-12 17:53:20 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Diana Kim is a psychopath

And here we see another example of a not very bright gallentean attacking Caldari out of nothing without any reason.
This is another example, why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.