EVE General Discussion

The old learning skills need to return. Learning skills weeded out lots of the whiners early on. I remember the big debate of training to 4 or 5 before starting other skills. I chose 4 because I was willing to trade some loss in SP gain for being able to actually do stuff.

Learning skills forced you to think and to set priorities and were the first big training decision you had to make instead of handing you the easy way out.

And then the next guy comes along and says, "why not another 5 or 10%, it was done before !! ".

One more "imbalance" is not what we need, and the Character Generation system -- which is where this all eventually leads back to -- has gone through so many revisions in the last 10 year I have lost track.

So, "No".

No.

Being new to the EVE universe I haven't encountered the month + wait yet but I will say this: The skill que system in EVE is superior to any other mmo time sink skill grind method I've endured. That play style is for the birds. The que system here allows me to do more productive things while I wait... like study and learn the game.

I used to play lot of swtor.
ya I grinded lot got to 55 and had max tire gear.

so I asked myself.. what now? do it all again. so nope.

leave skill training as it is.

You lost me at "to be fair". This is Eve still right?

It's too slow for new players, for vets who have 40+m SP it's fine.
The first 10-20m SP people train should be greatly boosted from what it is now.

Disclaimer: WoW is sh*t, we all know this. This is just where I am coming from.

There once was a time when WoW was, well not hard, but definitely a more compelling game then the fps it has basically become today. Once upon a time, long ago, WoW even had a community where your avatar actually had some meaning and where it took patience and time to advance and gain power. You needed to have skill, dedication and most of all social organization in order to be successful. My first "level 60" character took me many, many months of work to level and skill up to be competent in the raids.

Then along came a bunch of guys like the OP.

It takes too long to level up they said.

It is too hard to progress they said.

Only the elite (i.e. competent players) get to see the "end game."

and worst of all,

I should be able to get access to everything in the game by myself. I pay 15.00 a month. I'm entitled.

When I quit WoW, it took around 48 hours to completely max out a character (level 80, i think.. was a while ago.) and be ready to face the most dangerous foes in the game. The community was utterly destroyed as max level characters became a dime a dozen and every single one of them could get all the same gear inside of a week. The instant gratification crowd completely took over the show. Instant levels, instant gear, instant group of friends.. instant f*cking trash.

Thus far Eve has been a bastion, a fortress if you will, against this "give it to me right now" mentality so prevalent among the current generation of gamers. The patience required to be successful in Eve is the antithesis of the cheap gameplay found in every other **** mmo on the market today. And I think I speak for a lot of capsuleers when I say that's just the way we like it.

Although your idea isn't the most heinous ever posted on Eve-o, threads like these are insidious because individually they ask for small concessions, but collectively (and there are a lot of these threads) they are very, very harmful to the essence of EvE.

TL;DR My response/advice to you on this thread: No more compromises, EvE is supposed to be hard as f*ck. Once you embrace the HTFU, the whole game starts to make a lot more sense and you'll stop making silly threads like this.

When will people realize, Higher SP does not make EVE more fun to play.

Find a good corp and forget about needing 100's of millions S/p.

Just have fun.

You are incorrect. It gives an advantage to the newbies by letting them catch up to us faster so that they don't feel weak and overpowered by the veteran players.