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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-03 18:07:42 UTC
Dave Attel wrote:
Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day.

If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment Big smile


IBFTR that he's claiming he makes 750 an hour...

Just how many little epeens do we have in this game?

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-03-03 18:11:56 UTC
I made 5 Bil reading this thread.

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Pew Terror
All of it
#23 - 2014-03-03 18:51:50 UTC
How can people brag about flying around doing boring missions, while other people are out pewing ships while in FW?

It's like standing at your local pub proudly proclaiming you get 10 bucks an hour for getting kicked in the balls repeatedly by the local rugby club.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2014-03-03 18:56:14 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Posting in a stealth-but-not-so-stealth-nerf-FW thread.



It's a stealth version of a stealth thread.

All this passive-aggressive "The View" show styled double speak innuendo crap is going to wreck civilization - or maybe is already has.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-03-03 19:03:13 UTC
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Dave Attel wrote:
Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day.

If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment Big smile


1-2 hours a day in FW for 5 billion a week?

Bull.

Your math does not add up.

Caldari militia has been at Tier 1 almost all of last week, but just for fun - let's assume tier 2 payouts. That's 30000 LP for capturing a LARGE plex, which you are doubtfully doing (as there is no acceleration gate and you will be stomped on without a decent fleet). So, 20 mins to capture a large PLEX in a perfect world - that's three plexes a hour for 90,000 LP. You do this for 2 hours a day, so let's call that 180,000 LP. (this does not even count time between plexes, and assumes you can find a virgin large plex in every single system you visit and are never chased out or having to share your LP with friendly forces - in reality if you could manage a single large PLEX a hour you would be doing pretty good)

180,000LP = at best, a return of about 250million after buidling factional ships from the LP store and selling them off. 250mil x 7 days a week = 1.75 billion.

My point being, you are not making 5billion a week by casually doing FW 1-2 hours a day.

Pics / Wallet API or it never happened.

Well there are missions you can chain around. Lot's of L4 FW missions.

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Winchester Steele
#26 - 2014-03-03 19:04:36 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be?

So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK.

Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent.

None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening?

You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up.




I never thought I'd see the day, but I mostly agree with this post.

...

Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-03-03 19:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Doireen Kaundur
I went thought this thread and learned about mice up asses, but still have no idea what FW is?

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-03-03 20:03:38 UTC
Qweasdy wrote:
Dave Attel wrote:
Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day.

If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment Big smile


I don't think isk faucet means what you think it does.


That would be correct. Earning LP is an isk transfer from 1 player to another. Running missions or a complex doesn't actually inject isk directly.
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#29 - 2014-03-03 20:08:42 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass


We are still having fun making ships explode.


oh thats cool, when i joined i spent a couple days saying "fleets?", there were 0, and no one was interested in joining one or doing anything at all, oh yeah it was great fun all right.
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-03-03 20:45:41 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be?

So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK.

Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent.

None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening?

You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up.



Anyone that want's to make isk plays both sides.
You leech on both sides, get easy intel on hostile movements and you simply bank it until the right time to cash in. You continue accumulating isk and LP on both sides, that gives you the optimum cash in possibilities.
Only the noobs and a hardened core of RPer's actually play faction warfare for the pew.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-03-03 20:54:16 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be?

So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK.

Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent.

None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening?

You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up.



edgy

I have 3 accounts to purchase plex for, I am a student with very little money or job prospects, so paying for eve online is out of the question unless I ask grandma not to buy diabetic medication that month. Being able to make isk is important if I want to continue playing the game, so every month I need close to 2 billion isk to buy plex.

I guess after I make the isk to pay for my accounts, I have time to lose tons of isk throwing ships at pirates like some kind of mongoloid ****** masochist.

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Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-03-03 22:12:25 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
I went thought this thread and learned about mice up asses, but still have no idea what FW is?



anyone? Cry

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#33 - 2014-03-03 22:51:42 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
I went thought this thread and learned about mice up asses, but still have no idea what FW is?



anyone? Cry




Well we have to decide which is worse (for the mouse anyway) before we proceed.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-03-03 23:09:04 UTC
Dave Attel wrote:
Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day.

If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment Big smile

you are going to have to be more specific if you want me to believe you at all.

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Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#35 - 2014-03-03 23:21:51 UTC
Dave Attel wrote:
fw is the best isk faucet at the moment Big smile


FW is an ISK sink.

Most LP is cashed out removing 1k ISK per LP from the economy, this is less than the ISK introduced from mission rewards + time bonuses.

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djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#36 - 2014-03-04 00:50:16 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:

Well there are missions you can chain around. Lot's of L4 FW missions.


Yup, but 5 bil a week @ 2 hours a day?

No way. OP is full of it.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#37 - 2014-03-04 01:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Miriya Zakalwe
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:

Well there are missions you can chain around. Lot's of L4 FW missions.


Yup, but 5 bil a week @ 2 hours a day?

No way. OP is full of it.


Actually - they are not far off.

At tier 4 you pull in about 40-60k LP per L4 mission, and there's 10-15 mission agents available per run. Figure you can get one run in in 3 hrs (tight but doable - 30 mins to collect them in an Inty and 2.5 hrs to run them in a SB); that's about an average of 600M ISK equivalent per day.

So, ~4B per week.

People usually figure 200M ISK/hr running FW missions in my experience.

And that's in a ~40M ISK fit SB.

There's other variance there (the agents don't always have kill missions, etc) but there is no denying it is a money pinata.

(disclaimer, I never actually ran them at that efficiency myself - I didn't have SB skills at the time so could only make about 50-100M/hr doing them in other ships - but I know lots of people that did)

Pretty sure this is also why contracts for the Leopard spiked to 100M for a while - it was worth it.
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