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C1 income......looking for information.....
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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-02 23:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Silivar Karkun
im trying to find an isk activity that is cheap to cover in case of loss (L4s have proven to be counter productive with my current skills).....

i can use T2 components for both shield and armor, and can fly all T1 subcaps, it seems C1 WHs are the easier ones, and im desperate to get a better isk producing activity (mining and PI are killing me of boredom)....

so i want to know, how much would someone get roaming C1/C2 WHs with a BC (?)..........i like the idea of living in a WH but i dont have enough isk to cover that, so an ever traveling ship is more likely.....
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-03 00:06:23 UTC
A t2 fit bc will be fine in a C1. You're better off dipping in and dipping out. Living in anything smaller than a C3 is counterproductive. You will lose a ship here or there, but you'll have more fun than level 4's.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-03 00:09:35 UTC
maybe but i need to see actual numbers, to see if its more profitable or not......
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-03 00:42:12 UTC
If L4's are somehow counter productive for you, then I can only imagine if/when you get ganked in a wormhole that it'll be catastrophic to you. That being said, I really dislike PVE personally and I've never really done anything but C5's. From what I know, I don't think this is the solution you're looking for.

Once you have more isk to work with and you learn about wormholes more, it might be something you'd like to revisit.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-03-03 00:58:24 UTC
i have some experience in WHs as an scout (finding connections to highsec for my old alliance) but im not well versed in WH PvE.....nor general PvP......but i know the tatics to keep alive in one (D-scan spamming, safespots, cloaks, bookmarking entries/exits)......

L4s were counter producitve cause i lost my BS, in fact i have lost several, too hard to replace, i have spare money for a BC and wanted to see if WHs would prove a better income than blitzing L3s, mining and/or PI.......im enough if its similar to null sec ratting or something (i know its based in loot+salvage)......
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#6 - 2014-03-03 01:36:36 UTC
You will make more money blitzing L4's or doing incursions than you will farming a C1.

https://sites.google.com/site/talocanunited/class1/forgottenperimetercoronationplatform

provides a list of the C1 sites and what ships spawn there, the value of loot from cruisers/frigs is very little, so you'll be relying on nanoribbon drops. They are ~3 mil apiece now, I'm willing to bet a C1 makes you much less than 100 mil/hour, which you can get blitzing L4's or doing incursions.
Nimfo Fox
Xenophobics Asylum
#7 - 2014-03-03 01:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimfo Fox
I've only mostly used T3s to speed-run C1s and what I've gotten varies. It takes about 5 minutes to clear a site in a C1 and the payout from one site can vary drastically from 2mil to 50mil. Yes, I've had 50mil from one or two sites ONCE. It's RNG - whether you get the nanoribbons from salvage or not.
Blue-loot (aka the items sleeper wrecks contain) only really matters in C3 where it accounts for ~ 47-50mil. Blue-loot is not rng and is guaranteed. And it takes about 15minutes to run a C3 site fast. In a C1 the blue-loot would account to ~2mil per site.

Add the salvage and hauling in-out time to that and it's about 25-50 mil/h in a C1? This is what I estimate, I'm possibly wrong.

Can be way more exciting than mission-running, especially if you encounter people. But I have to warn you - wormholes are a whole different world. If you like relaxed environment then going solo in wormholes can be a tad stressful.
Imagine being submerged underwater in a shark-cage, you have to collect bloody meat pieces floating around you for your dinner and you know that with enough force applied your cage can be broken.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-03-03 01:51:45 UTC
ok then what about PI there is it enough?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-03 02:56:11 UTC
It really depends on what you are after.

I started EVE in April, and I was living in a C1 by August. I had the WH bug bad.

If all you are after is isk/hr wormholes may not be the best option. But I never had so much fun as the time I spent as a noob trying to make WH living work.

Honestly in the 6-8 months or so that I lived in that C1 i averaged about 500mil a week just running the combat sites that spawned. I had a small army of PI alts and made about 1.5bil a month in PI.

But mostly I loved the life. still do.
Kateryna I
Viper-Squad
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2014-03-03 03:36:09 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
ok then what about PI there is it enough?


WH PI = best PI

Your income here depends only on number of alts and how good WH you will find.

If you have time you can easily do 500mil/character = 1,5b per account a month.

But a lot depends on your commitment.

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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-03-03 04:22:05 UTC
im looking at different options, another would be to do gas mining but it seems it has a low value.........

for the most part i was planning in a fit like this, and do some testing.......

[Harbinger, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Co-Processor II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hobgoblin I x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#12 - 2014-03-03 08:46:08 UTC
The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#13 - 2014-03-03 10:07:47 UTC
I havent tried them by myself but it is said that C1 anoms are not worth undocking, C2s are about the same income as LVL4s, C3s start to get around 100m hr per account if lucky C4s about the same or bit more. C5s and C6s is the place where the income starts to look interresting because of cap escallations sometimes surpassing 500m/hr/account.

C1s are really great for industry and PI though. You can set up pos, you have direct hi-sec connection at all times and nothing bigger than battlecriser fits through to bother you.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#14 - 2014-03-03 10:42:06 UTC
C1s are excellent money given you got proper equipment. Since you produce wrecks like crazy, they drop nanos like crazy, which is all the ISK you make tbh.

At ~4.5m / ribbon, used to make about 150-220m/hr running a legion and a noctis, running around 12-15 anoms an hour including warps. Ship used was a legion with large cap battery, c-type repairer, rest heat sinks, TCs and lazorrigs. 600mm scanres is kinda bottom line for this. (Also means I rarely did that for more than 90mins a piece)
Given how much nanos dropped in market price, you should be able to still squeeze 110-160m out of them.

Taking a ship that isn't a zealot/legion might destroy your income, so I'd expect less than a third of that income using a drake in comparison.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-03-03 15:58:58 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor.


the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention....
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-03-03 16:00:36 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
I havent tried them by myself but it is said that C1 anoms are not worth undocking, C2s are about the same income as LVL4s, C3s start to get around 100m hr per account if lucky C4s about the same or bit more. C5s and C6s is the place where the income starts to look interresting because of cap escallations sometimes surpassing 500m/hr/account.

C1s are really great for industry and PI though. You can set up pos, you have direct hi-sec connection at all times and nothing bigger than battlecriser fits through to bother you.


i would only be able to travel with an Epithal, dont have the money to cover those logistics........
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#17 - 2014-03-03 16:12:35 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor.


the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention....


If that's the case fit a core probe launcher not a expanded. The cloak still isn't going to really help you, your better off posing up then trying to lurk in a site cloaked.

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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-03-03 16:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Silivar Karkun
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor.


the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention....


If that's the case fit a core probe launcher not a expanded. The cloak still isn't going to really help you, your better off posing up then trying to lurk in a site cloaked.


dont have the money for a POS........
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#19 - 2014-03-03 16:23:04 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor.


the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention....


If that's the case fit a core probe launcher not a expanded. The cloak still isn't going to really help you, your better off posing up then trying to lurk in a site cloaked.


dont have the money for covering a POS........


A small pos for daytripping is relatively cheap. If isk is really that tight, you should likely reconsider joining an established wormhole corp. W-space is populated by rabid-bloodthirsty shooty maniacs like me who love to find people doing things solo.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#20 - 2014-03-03 17:50:08 UTC
I you just want to make camp in a wormhole, just throw up a couple mobile depots in the wormhole you would like to farm. You can store loot and refit off them, which is 66% of what a POS would do for you.
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