EVE General Discussion

so basically you want CCP to remove players from 0.0 so you could run missions as safe as in empire for the better rewards?

No, i want more people on eve-o forums who can read without losing half brain. Get well soon.

Good, i'm taking notes, because i never did that!! Thanks for the suggestions GD.

I ran two relics sites in null yesterday. Not one interruption and a swift 100m in the bag for 5 mins work.

You don't get that in high sec!.

Yes you can.

Data / Relic sites are the exception by the grace of shiptypes involved. Go and try to run anomalies in nullsec with a ship that can actually finish them, and you soon end up making less money then you could grind out of hisec in the same time because of interruptions. Or simply because of a single pilot error that sees you killed. I dont PVE in nullsec for the ISK. I PVE in nullsec for the thrill.

I must be alone in my perception thinking lowsec is actually fine in terms of risk / reward because dedicated PVE ships can comfortably utilize sentry gun mechanics, MJD's and other gate games to escape. Also DED rewards aren't that bad and clone tags are not that rare. Basicly it boils down to the ability to slowly grind up ISK safely in hisec, it doesn't take that much longer to accumulate the same amount of ISK. Why explore 3 hours working your ass off, if you can achieve the same net result in 4 hours slacking off? To many purely ISK-oriented players, hisec is simply king. Quick market access will also see you convert useless junk into usable assets far quicker. It doesn't get interesting to bother with nullsec untill you have a dedicated plan, like the 400m exploration example.

I must nuance a bit. I'm assuming OP stages in hisec or lowsec but doesnt live in (NPC) nullsec. I'm taking travel time in (travel-fitted) PVE ships in mind. Logistics. His character age. And most of all: uncertainty. I don't mind losing a ship if that ship made me it's value twice over. When I would get my PVE ship blown up on the first gate a couple of times because I'm two weeks old and clueless, I'd hightail it back to highsec too because null just cost me a fortune. It's completely different from logging in, seeing your local is pretty much blue, and your friends patrolling the system. Extensive PVE can be conducted by the grace of the presence your corp or alliance can hold. This is fine too, but let's not pretend it's not a requirement, or at least disfavours the "invader".

Tip for the OP: I don't care about ISK that much, but I do enjoy high sec status. When I have the oppurtunity to utilize a wormhole to sneak into nullsec, I often use it to repair my sec. Making ISK with less effort is more about collaboration and oppurtunity then it is about your immediate geographical situation.

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Working as intended, or at least as designed. While reward is semi-random, risk can be manupulated and mitigated, but only to a certain degree when solo. It is a multiplayer game that favours numbers and there's no shame in admitting that.

That isn't my intention at all. High sec mission runners/miners/whatever are players of the same game i enjoy, and i don't care how they play it. I said this several times already.

@Inxentas No, i live in npc null. I took part in the past of sov warfare but i really never liked it. After that i moved to npc null with 2 friends but sadly they are not very active. I lived in Venal, Curse and Delve.

Hmm, how?

Even if we called his 5 minutes 15 minutes, I don't see how anyone (or any massive fleet even) is making that much in high-sec.

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Null-sec is more profitable than high-sec if you live in null and actually want to play the game actively. Anomalies and signatures give better ISK/hour than any L4. Mining is not even remotely comparable, you'll make twice as much in nullsec if you know what you're doing (i.e. read Bloodtear's report).

High-sec incursions are the only thing that can match those profits, however those are very limited and competitive. Don't listen to those incursion runners citing 100mil/hr; they spend as many hours setting up or waiting for a new spawn as they do actually playing.

Null/WH still have the greatest potential for profit by a long shot, you just need to actually own/rent the space, need backup to help when bad guys come, and need to be willing to lose an entire mining fleet or ratting carrier on occasion and not be a vag about it.

Anyone who doubts this should consider the state of Bloodtear Industries; a two-man army that has made enough ISK to risk fielding multiboxed supercarriers, dreads, even Titans to help their coalitions cause. I'd love to see a two-man army make that kind of ISK in high-sec.

huh, when i was in kadeshi, i ran hundreds of datas and relics out in feythabolis, combined all those sites made me less than 120mil, thats with hacking every container, never failing a minigame except once or twice when i got a kobayashi maru of nodes.

literally the only way to make any decent money of data/relics is to rpay you get a faction BPC drop, theyd be alot more popular and profitable if the interfaces were consumed on use, as right now there is no excuse to ever fully consume one since they can be cheaply repaired, leaving alot of site runners with thousands of BPCs combined worth less than a noobship.

In EVE, risk vs reward is largely created by the players themselves. Which is pretty cool, if you ask me.

OP, if shooting at red crosses in nullsec yielded substantially more ISK (like +50% or more), I think this would happen:

1) more people would do it
2) more people would hunt the more people doing it

End result would be nullsec PVE would get harder (competition for sites/belts + more guys out to get you) so you may actually end up making roughly the same ISK/hour (net after losses) as today! Or who knows, maybe even less.

So you'd get more players in null, which is probably a good idea actually, but not necessarily more ISK per player.


Also, what's so bad about doing your pew in null and your missioning in highsec? You probably only need a jump clone and a single PVE-capable ship (that you'll hardly ever lose unless it's too shiny). In a big complex universe like EVE, wanting to do everything in the same place will inevitably be kind of inefficient - not to mention possibly boring.