Warfare & Tactics

Scenario: You get jumped in your Legion by an Interceptor orbiting outside of scram range.

You cant get scram. You can't get web. You probably don't have drones and if you do, the inty can probably speed tank them. You don't have neuts that extend past scram range. You probably don't have ECM, and you sure as hell can't burn away with that fat ass you've got.

What do you do? What does the solo Legion pilot do if it encounters an intelligent Interceptor pilot? Is it a sitting duck, a fish in a barrel? Does he just bide his time until the rest of the fleet arrives to take him slowly out of this world?

Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems to me that Interceptors pose a significant threat to the solo Legion. Sure, you could argue that they're dangerous to any ship, but most other ships possess at least one or two of the common methods of dealing with frigates, while apparently the Legion has nothing.

Please advise.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm inquiring about what the typical PVP Legion fit would be capable of doing, not what some bastardized fit with light missiles, drones, smart bombs or whatever else you can think of might be able to do.

Faction web + skirmish boosting and pray that inty isnt boosted and the pilot is bad. Because afaik pulses wont ever hit orbiting inty on such slow hull and neither will hams.

Maybe you could use mobile depot and try to refit to wcs, I think most inties wont be able to do enough damage to put it into reinforced when keeping away from you (except lml). But this is still betting on inty pilots budies watching porn instead of listening to coms.

There is actually no counter to boosted kitey intys. Next one of CCPs epic fails^^
Summary:
-Saw 5 arty Thrashers, I was on of them. Linked Inty attacked us and 1 thrasher died before we bailed.
-150mm Rail corm hits ****. Tested by myself.
-Cara with range rigs. Tested by myself. No way. Boosted kitey inty has point around 40km and goes more than 7k m/s. Out of effective range of rapid light cara with range rigs.
-One guy once tried to snipe inty with nado from 100 up to 120km. Didn´t hit :P
-Same with sentries and vex navy :P Doesn´t hit.

Not tested yet: Beam Coercer, Oracle.

So forget it. Inty with loki links is actually almost unkillable.

Btw CCP: Next fail. Your ****** agility nerf hit only non linked intys. Linked intys orbit at almost 40km so they are not so reliant on agility like non linked that orbit at 25km^^

Edit: Linked scramweb inty would maybe do it. As always^^ If someone has links and you don´t---->dock up.

If you're flying a T3 without giving prior consideration to what you can and cannot realistically kill with it, you're doing it wrong.

I'd advise fitting the covert subsystem and picking your fights more carefully but cloaky legions are a useless bag of manatee sperm.

Get a cloaky loki or proteus and skirmish boosts, you won't regret it.

You have even a clue what you are writing?
Senti won´t neut 40km point inty even with max skills. Geddon won´t do it too. Loki with faction webs. Okay.
Bonus to scram range??? Yeah show me the scram with 38km range^^
Fleet inty? I saw 3 crows and a keres killing whole 10+ fleets. Get a fleet of intys and unless oponnent hasnt logi you don´t need anything else.

Youre screwed.

Legion is a slow, fat ship, Im afraid theres nothing you can do if that inty has you.

Best call is to summon help quick, or, if you have stuff in cargo, refit warp stabs.

You might try manual flying to break up his transversal, short lurches back and forth, towards and away from him, and time your shots when hes transversal is lowest from direction changes.... But its iffy.

A keres can scram at 23.6 before links and can easily break 5km/s. learn to slingshot.
Huginn can web at 72km.
hyena can web at 39km with just a T2 web let alone faction.
i run in 20 man intie only gangs at least once a month and have taken on intie gangs in a variety of fleet types. I do small gang pvp every day. It is easy to kill with inties only for sure but they are so fragile and so easy to kill that it is also easy to wipe them out. inties have to be very careful about what they engage and are very susceptable to slingshots. Also you might have great transversal on the ship you are orbitting but your transversal vs everything else will vary hugely. They are not however auto win machines.
You are right that nothing can neut anywhere near 38km i withdraw that. (it was my claw that got neuted not my stiletto). my bad both in going so close to an ishtar and in what i said.

Thanks for the replies so far from everyone.



Yeah, cause we all carry around mobile depots and stabs for just such an occasion, and MJD's don't fit on T3's...



I'm not worried about the dps. A Legion could tank an inty for damn near forever but its not his dps I'm worried about, its his buddies. The question was how to shake the inty, either by killing him or otherwise, not if I should worry about his dps.

I'm curious specifically about the context of Highsec PVP. Fighting on gates and stations is easy because the worst case scenario is that you aggress and then get dog piled, in which case you just need to de-aggress and wait out your 60s no dock/jump timer. Hopefully you have enough tank to last that long, but chances are that you do, because you're a Legion.

But if you're caught in deadspace, an asteroid belt, safe spot or other such place where docking/jumping is not possible...?

My thoughts when I see Colt Blackhawk posting / local smacking

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There are plenty of ships that are helpless vs an inty, however mostly they have plenty of buffer to deagress and make it to gate/station. This is not unique to the legion and you can't try and make every fit able to fend of an inty because it just isn't feasible.

this is not a standard legion ANYWHERE. which is what the thread maker wanted. a standard legion. armor fit.