Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This made me laugh. Thank you.


EVE is a game. ISK does not exist outside of EVE.

Mining being performed does not directly create ISK, ships, hyperlinks to obscure humor, or dancing ponies.
It does, however, directly result in the gathering of ore by a player.

As this ore has trade value, using the in game currency of ISK as a conduit, players are able to purchase other in game items in exchange for the ore they mined.
For this, they get ships, ship parts, and disturbing hyperlinks to bronies. Google at your own risk.

As the motive for mining is to get the first aspect of this proven trade connection, it represents a motive for automated gain by some players looking to cheat undetected.

If we don't want automated play skewing the results of our efforts with direct play, removing it is the obvious solution.

Again, thank you Kitty Bear for that happy moment of laughter, I appreciate your humor!

But wait...if they didn't like it, or at least feel engaged by it they wouldn't do it. They are therefore not wasting their time. On top of that this is a game, it is by definition a waste of time for the purpose of enjoyment. Who are we to say how people should and shouldn';t spend their time in eve?

yeah but better dosnt mean more action and or fights

i would have fun if i have the fealing i manage a small mining op alone
lets say asteroids in pi view setting laser positions and drones as well
as controlling the cargo of the drones and when they come back something like that

I see nothing wrong with making some aspects universally automated.
The moment we came to accept AFK gameplay, we freely admitted some parts were too dull to even pay attention to.

This lets the devs balance it fairly for EVERYONE. That is a big deal, when trying to figure out how to make direct play rewarding, while limiting the impact from someone using automated tricks.
(I suspect limited availability for ore/ice came from this, to be honest...)
To be fair, devs have said in the past that they have botting under control.

Now, add to this a multiboxer, who can't watch every screen at the same time, but wants to play EVE that much... I don't think we want to mess up his game either.

I would argue that mining is balanced right now, there will always be some bots but miners can at least earn a living with reasonable effort and many do actually like the process of mining. If they are afk so what? they then present targets to gankers or produce minerals for everyone including the PvP people who don't gather their own minerals. The constant attempts to make miners lives hell is tedious to me and adding in mini-games, capcha or any other mind numbing 'click to continue' mechanisms would simply introduce an annoyance into an area of the game that seems pretty much fine.

I hate capcha. I would feel betrayed if it showed up inside the game.

As to balance, balance is good. But that doesn't make the game desirable, just fair.

I think we can take the human element, and make mining more practical to match this.
It can still be a time sink. Learning skills already is a time sink too.

But I think mining can be improved in a way that makes botting obsolete, which I think is the best way to remove a problem.

Players should be able to make Isk in any profession they choose in any space they live in.


Posting in another nerf highsec thread because OP thinks nullsec is the only way to play a sandbox game.

It's called interpretation

so lets rewrite your OP to address Nul-sec bot ratting



seems fine so far



oh .. that could be a problem.
that's a shitstorm of tears and angry venting just waiting to happen.
but I digress, let us continue to explore the 'merits' of your suggestion



yeah .. the botting would stop, but so would normal ratting.
in theory, from a game-lore perspective, it's sensible, why do concord care about npc pirate ships out in nul-sec where they have no influence.
but I have a sneaky feeling your alliance friends might not be quite so keen on a development like this.

want me to carry on .... ?
do you need more reasons why your suggestion is both untenable AND mindbogglingly stupid ?

I caught a bit of the security presentation today on boting and what was particularly interesting is that 2 alliances (not named) were responsible for 49% for all booting activity detected in EVE. Also noteworthy (and not surprising) was that most boting occurs in high-sec, which makes sense as mining in high-sec is relatively risk-free.

This is a great example of how mining could be made more interactive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SOZxCXokg

As I suggested earlier, the way to discourage bot'ing is to incentivize and reward actual human interaction. This isn't necessarily possible with the current mining framework, but something like the above link could really be a step in the right direction. Examples:

• Replace the text readout for the survey scanner with a visual graphical asteroid reference (this forces actual panning around and rewards interaction).
• Change the role of mining drones from actual harvesting to asteroid deployment where they would instead offer a bonus to range, duration or yield (so instead of "f" mining you would have to continually redeploy drones for mining enhancement).

Here's a radical idea: introduce a new mining siphon unit. When deployed this would automatically siphon a % of all mining lasers within say a 25km radius (with matching overlap). The caveat being that deployment automatically results in a suspect flag and actual siphon operation requires the player to continually remain within 2km of the mobile unit. What would this do? Players would be able to engage and hamper suspect "bot" operations as well create opportunities for engagements outside of "can flipping".

He's saying that your idea to attack botting is only attacking high security players. It is ignoring the low sec ishtar bots that can make hundreds of millions an hour bot ratting, which sure beats the hell out of a single bot making 20 million an hour.

All your suggestion does is reduce the base material cost in the galaxy to nilch so that people gathering the base material (Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon, Isogen) can't make money off from them.

What you don't seem to understand is that this will have to be balanced with EVERY INDUSTRIAL ENDEAVOR in the game, from ships, to modules, to ammunition. What you are suggesting is that we completely crash the market prices, which will crash the cost of all items on the market except for shiny mods. Why? because it will be cheaper to produce the items.

The overall result will be that TI ships will be affordable, and everything else will be ungodly expensive for high sec players. Think 2008 prices (80 mil for a battleship and 250 mil plexes) mixed with current prices (800 mil for ded invulns, etc).

the price inbalance would be silly (edited because the word I used to mean to slow progress is not appropriate anymore due to common misuse). And you are only nerfing High Sec Mining Bots. You are not nerfing null mining bots in certain large alliances, or bot ratters.