Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, I mean that point:

You are glossing over the context these "expensive" ships are being used under.

A titan is a big ship. CCP claimed surprise when the cost of these was not the bigger limit to their existence that they expected it to be.

That being said, most players still don't own one.
Most players cannot afford to buy them, even assuming they were willing to sacrifice the year in training it also needed.

I doubt very much we want subcaps to become less common.
If the price escalates above what the typical player can afford, then they will either not buy them, or only use them when convinced they do so without risk of loss.

Players will risk what they feel comfortable risking.

Pricing sets that comfort level, effectively.

The example you used has nothing to do with a person's ability to afford a loss. In the case of your example it has to do with a coalition's ability to afford a loss. All this example is a testament to is the change in relative wealth of Alliances and Coalitions with respect to individuals.

A player's ability to afford a loss is not based on the arbitrary and fluctuating value of the current monetary system. It is based on the time require to mitigate the loss. As a loss requires more and more time to recover from they will be less and less willing to take that risk.


For the inevitable "what about supers and titans if coalitions are so rich" arguement.

Supers and especially Titans require not only Isk to replace, but very large quantities of time. And coalitions cannot acquire a wealth of time. This makes them even more risk than their isk value. Which is why you only see them in extremely 1 sided fights or just once or twice a year in max numbers.

it has nothing to do with affording loss.

he said people will stop using ships when price increases; i proved that to be false.

Bot mining is extremely common because it is more than possible to mine enough income in highsec to plex the account using a simple computer program that can run the mining operation.

Solution: Make highsec mining not profitable enough to sustain an account all by itself.

Economic reaction: Nearly all highsec bot mining operations will disappear; the majority of remaining highsec bot miners will be characters that are used for other things as well. The only remaining characters devoted entirely to botting will have operators who run other passive income sources as well to suplement their income.

How to accomplish this: Reduce the demand for highsec minerals. Dramatically increase the prevalence of minerals tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, and isogen.

If normal players could mine in highsec enough for their own ships in their off time, then highsec mineral income would plummet. The economy could not sustain lots of bot miners because there simply wouldn't be enough demand for those minerals. A lot of manufacturers would refuse to pay large amounts of ISK for their minerals when they could just go mine them in a short amount of time.

My solution to mining would be to reduce the amount of minerals seeded by 90% and then to reduce material requirements of all manufactured items by 90%. I think this would basically make mining 10x more competitive and 10x more profitable. With resources being so sparse, miners wouldn't be able to sit around mining all day, they'd have to be cunning and daring to get to the ore before anyone else, and then try to mine it all as fast as they can for a tidy profit. It would also encourage miners to search further afield for minerals, but without the limitation of being forced to sit in belts for hours undefended. They'd still need to defend themselves though because an increase in competition means an increase in PvP.