Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bot mining is extremely common because it is more than possible to mine enough income in highsec to plex the account using a simple computer program that can run the mining operation.

Solution: Make highsec mining not profitable enough to sustain an account all by itself.

Economic reaction: Nearly all highsec bot mining operations will disappear; the majority of remaining highsec bot miners will be characters that are used for other things as well. The only remaining characters devoted entirely to botting will have operators who run other passive income sources as well to suplement their income.

How to accomplish this: Reduce the demand for highsec minerals. Dramatically increase the prevalence of minerals tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, and isogen.

If normal players could mine in highsec enough for their own ships in their off time, then highsec mineral income would plummet. The economy could not sustain lots of bot miners because there simply wouldn't be enough demand for those minerals. A lot of manufacturers would refuse to pay large amounts of ISK for their minerals when they could just go mine them in a short amount of time.

Except then non bot miners also couldn't make an income. And you have just destroyed an entire play style. Industry also becomes worthless since minerals are worthless meaning a 5% profit margin is 1-2 isk. So you have now destroyed a second play style. Oh, and ships become worthless, since they are so cheap to build. So you have destroyed PvP as well since there is no value to the destroyed goods so no-one cares.

Dumb idea.

Oh dear Cthulu no. While it would be nice if mineral prices dropped a bit, I'd rather it was by giving active paying attention miners a way to increase yield through interaction, increasing mineral flow that way. But this idea.... this is impressive in a truly Razzie fashion.



It already pays peanuts. Really. 20-25 mil an hour for a highly skilled solo miner actively scanning rocks and adjusting cycle lengths? With less for a partially afk miner? Forget that. You can make quadruple that in FW with the same SP. If someone wants to rot their brain out semi-afk mining for less isk per hour than I can count on my fingers and toes (in millions), then they are welcome to do so.

To be fair, wiping out the economy will stop (some) botting.

He's right. Once the economy is destroyed, no one is having any fun, and everyone goes to play something else, nobody will bot anymore! Wait, that's not right...

wrong, wrong and wrong...

want to remove the bots or at least lower the amount of them, increase the difficulty. Take rats from null, put them in empire. Deep null, BS rats that hit like a freight train, eat hammerheads like munchies.

Win/Win miners learn how to tank, and defend, have backup to kill rats. Can't afk without risking loss of ship to rats.

Because the cornerstone of eve is minerals. It always has been. Mineral prices go up, so does ship and module and ammo prices. Ships get made, insured, destroyed, isk is created, sent back to the miners, and the cycle continues. Every produced ship in the game is highly based off the current mineral basket cost. Even t2 to a significant degree.

And since apparently you don't know much about the topic you started, I'll lay it out.

The bottleneck in production is Trit and Pyerite. Not nulsec/WH minerals. Those are insanely glutted, and if the majority of highsec miners went to nullsec to mine, the market would be saturated to the point of uselessness.

Caps and supercaps take insanely high amounts of Trit and Pyerite relative to the other minerals. The amount of mining needed to acquire the high end minerals only provides a tiny fraction of the trit needed. Cut out the bottleneck for those minerals and within a few months everyone is flying around in 150 Mil carriers, 300 mil dreadnaughts, and 5 Bil isk Titans.

Nullsec players throw capitals at each other en masse, **** dies but nobody cares cause it's worthless. The sense of value having fled PvP accomplishments, many of those players follow the already reduced miner subclass into deactivating their account, bored with the pointlessness of working to try and kill ships that can be replaced in less time than it took to kill them.

Highsec mission runners flee in terror because suddenly, it costs 5 minutes of ratting to fit a tornado. Suicide ganking thresholds drop to 200 mil worth of non t1 items in a freighter then now costs 100 mil to build, and 30 mil worth of talos's to destroy. Not that it matters, since there's nothing besides faction gear to spend your money on.

Plex's bloom to multiple billions apiece with nothing to spend isk on, mission runners are now unable to plex their account without 8 hours a day grinding. They quit.

All is silent

EVE crumbles.


And this is really not an unrealistic projection.

Neither do you, given the fact that you seem to think supply and demand doesn't actually exist.

So then the high end mineral costs should be increased.

Then you're just going to make my nullsec miner alts super rich, without solving the problem of bots. It's not a mineral/ore prevalence price that's the heart of the botting problem. It's the mechanics that are jnvolved in actually obtaining the materials.