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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#1 - 2014-02-27 21:04:26 UTC
Just wondered why ore have no bases in hi sec? I know they are called outer ring but due to their location I would suggest that the main bulk of miners are unable to access agents and the lp store. Maybe putting ore out of reach is ccp's way of trolling miners?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2014-02-27 21:11:04 UTC
mup Deninard wrote:
Just wondered why ore have no bases in hi sec? I know they are called outer ring but due to their location I would suggest that the main bulk of miners are unable to access agents and the lp store. Maybe putting ore out of reach is ccp's way of trolling miners?


There are plenty of miners in null. Tons of them in fact. Bots of them in fact.

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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#3 - 2014-02-27 21:21:30 UTC
Yes I am aware that there are a lot of miners in null but do they have unhindered access to ore stations? As a hisec carebear I assume that it is total suicide to go to outer ring. My sp are in mining not pvp.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2014-02-27 21:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
mup Deninard wrote:
Yes I am aware that there are a lot of miners in null but do they have unhindered access to ore stations? As a hisec carebear I assume that it is total suicide to go to outer ring. My sp are in mining not pvp.



There are huge controlling Alliances in there that provide a measure of safety for their members yes.

Flying solo down there is indeed a huge risk. That's a lot of Null to sneak through.

I've never heard of solo high sec player with a successful attempt.

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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#5 - 2014-02-27 21:39:24 UTC
This is what I thought. I just wondered why ccp would put o.r.e out of reach of so many? Would they consider setting up some stations in hisec? How do you go about asking ccp to do this?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2014-02-27 21:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
mup Deninard wrote:
Just wondered why ore have no bases in hi sec? I know they are called outer ring but due to their location I would suggest that the main bulk of miners are unable to access agents and the lp store. Maybe putting ore out of reach is ccp's way of trolling miners?


why is ORE out of reach? Its equally available to everyone. Including miners. Outer Ring Excavations lives in Outer Ring.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
mup Deninard wrote:
Yes I am aware that there are a lot of miners in null but do they have unhindered access to ore stations? As a hisec carebear I assume that it is total suicide to go to outer ring. My sp are in mining not pvp.



There are huge controlling Alliances in there that provide a measure of safety for their members yes.

Flying solo down there is indeed a huge risk. That's a lot of Null to sneak through.

I've never heard of solo high sec player with a successful attempt.


I lived there (solo) for a few weeks and this was not my experience. There are a few small corps/alliances that live in outer ring, no one major. Sure if you literally try to mine there in a station system some people will come shoot at you, but its no different than anywhere else in lowsec/nullsec, and honestly its quite a bit quieter than any other NPC nullsec I'd been to. Even if you don't have pvp skills, its a simple matter of getting in a frigate/interceptor/covops/t3/blockade runner and flying there. The only reason to specifically access ore stations is to buy barge BPOs, and anyone can do this freely. I would fully expect it to be an uneventful trip.

Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2014-02-27 22:12:00 UTC
mup Deninard wrote:
This is what I thought. I just wondered why ccp would put o.r.e out of reach of so many? Would they consider setting up some stations in hisec? How do you go about asking ccp to do this?


The only thing unique to ORE is their blueprints.

"A filthy rich corporation that disassociated itself from the Federation when it tried to encroach on the companies riches. ORE operates mainly in the Outer Ring and Cloud Ring regions."

"Founded as a simple mining corporation to exploit a massive hidden Nocxium lode, the wealth of Outer Ring turned the company - utilitarianly named Outer Ring Excavations - into a minor faction in its own right, which lays claim to its entire namesake region. Originally contracting Mordu's Legion for security, the entire corporation was recently acquired by the Serpentis in a hostile takeover, who now oversee all aspects of ORE's operation. "

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Outer_Ring_Excavations_%28NPC_corporation%29


Any answers beyond this probably are not real.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2014-02-27 22:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Batelle wrote:


Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.


Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).

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Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#9 - 2014-02-27 23:16:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Batelle wrote:


Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.


Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


The blueprints are NPC seeded in stations there. Anyone can go and buy them.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2014-02-28 00:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Nightingale Actault wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Batelle wrote:


Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.


Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


The blueprints are NPC seeded in stations there. Anyone can go and buy them.



I know that. I stated that above.

I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr.

Did you actually read the thread ????

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#11 - 2014-02-28 03:50:25 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Nightingale Actault wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Batelle wrote:


Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.


Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


The blueprints are NPC seeded in stations there. Anyone can go and buy them.



I know that. I stated that above.

I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr.

Did you actually read the thread ????




You should probably read the thread first...
Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#12 - 2014-02-28 05:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Khoul Ay'd
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr.


Dude you're just embarrassing yourself, stop posting.

1. ORE BPO's are not purchased with LPs, only cold hard ISK from the market.

2. ORE has stations in 4C-B7X and NM-OEA. BPOs are purchased at these stations. Don't believe me, check DOTLAN if you're not willing to open your star map or fly out there yourself.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/4C-B7X
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/NM-OEA

3. I suggest in the future you comment about things you know about from experience, not supposition. And yes, I've flown out there and purchased ORE BPOs.

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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#13 - 2014-02-28 09:45:35 UTC
Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access to the lp store, bpo's are not my thing. I just don't like the idea of having to spend months skilling up gunnery skills and ships in order to do this. I'm a miner not a fighterWhat?
Zifrian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-02-28 11:45:12 UTC
mup Deninard wrote:
Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access to the lp store, bpo's are not my thing. I just don't like the idea of having to spend months skilling up gunnery skills and ships in order to do this. I'm a miner not a fighterWhat?

ORE LP items aren't all that great anyway. If they were better I think you'd see Outer Ring pretty full with people.

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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#15 - 2014-02-28 11:48:14 UTC
Fair enough. Thanks for the replies people.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2014-02-28 13:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Khoul Ay'd wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr.


Dude you're just embarrassing yourself, stop posting.

1. ORE BPO's are not purchased with LPs, only cold hard ISK from the market.

2. ORE has stations in 4C-B7X and NM-OEA. BPOs are purchased at these stations. Don't believe me, check DOTLAN if you're not willing to open your star map or fly out there yourself.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/4C-B7X
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/NM-OEA

3. I suggest in the future you comment about things you know about from experience, not supposition. And yes, I've flown out there and purchased ORE BPOs.



So I made one mistake in posting. Yes. And that means I should stop posting after 4 solid years of doing so.

Right. Got it.

Glad we have such well-trained, kind and informative, even self-appointed Forum moderators here.

You were obviously wanting hostility, and nothing more.

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Random McNally
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#17 - 2014-02-28 14:59:40 UTC
mup Deninard wrote:
This is what I thought. I just wondered why ccp would put o.r.e out of reach of so many? Would they consider setting up some stations in hisec? How do you go about asking ccp to do this?

I would start with putting together a solid and reasonable argument for it and post it in Features and Ideas.

ORE has been exclusive to Outer Ring since long before I've been in game. Having to brave the distance in null sec to get those tasty ORE ship bpo's is what's kept them valuable.

If Retriever bpo's were cheap and available in high sec, then they wouldn't be nearly as valuable as they are.

However, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2014-02-28 15:39:28 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Batelle wrote:


Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.


Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


Well if you want to mine there, you'd have to put your exhumer in your blockade runner. Or carrier jump it in. Or take a wormhole. But again, no different than anywhere else, and in fact probably a whole lot safer than any other npc nullsec (if you leave the station system and hit the dead-end pocket). But its not like there's some advantage to mining out there like the OP was suggesting.

And as stated, you don't need to run missions to get the BPOs. There's nothing there that is special that is being withheld from hisec players (which was the point of the OP). All that's out there are some empty systems with terrible truesec, explorers, and some koreans in 4c that will shoot your cyno or whatever else looks easy and hangs around for too long.

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Never forget.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2014-02-28 15:43:57 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Batelle wrote:


Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it.


Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe).


Well if you want to mine there, you'd have to put your exhumer in your blockade runner. Or carrier jump it in. Or take a wormhole. But again, no different than anywhere else, and in fact probably a whole lot safer than any other npc nullsec (if you leave the station system and hit the dead-end pocket). But its not like there's some advantage to mining out there like the OP was suggesting.

And as stated, you don't need to run missions to get the BPOs. There's nothing there that is special that is being withheld from hisec players (which was the point of the OP). All that's out there are some empty systems with terrible truesec, explorers, and some koreans in 4c that will shoot your cyno or whatever else looks easy and hangs around for too long.

Random McNally wrote:
If Retriever bpo's were cheap and available in high sec, then they wouldn't be nearly as valuable as they are.


Not true. Retriever BPOs are expensive because they cost 1.7 bn to buy from the NPC, not because going to cloud ring is hard/scary. If you want to buy a fresh one in Jita they only cost about 70m more than making the trip to 0.0 yourself. If they were seeded in hisec they'd still be very valuable.

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#20 - 2014-02-28 16:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Qalix
oops! posted too fast
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