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Which drones are better?
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Slade Wilson Horseshoe
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-02-27 03:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Wilson Horseshoe
Im trying to maximize my dps aganist larger ships in my vexor,

Vexor:
5t2 hammerheads vs 3 orges
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#2 - 2014-02-27 03:54:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
We are talking about PvE, right?

For the Vexor, the optimum consist for larger ships is 1/2/2 or three Garde. For the Algos, its 3/2/0.
Slade Wilson Horseshoe
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-02-27 03:59:22 UTC
PvP aganist cruiser class and up ships
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#4 - 2014-02-27 04:01:57 UTC
Then it depends. If the enemy ship is pinned (scrammed, webbed) then going for the gallente drones make sense. If not, minmatar drones are faster and have more tracking.
Slade Wilson Horseshoe
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-02-27 04:03:25 UTC
Their slower,heavily tanked ships which are more then likely scrammed by someone in the fleet im in
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#6 - 2014-02-27 04:21:32 UTC
Unless they have a big thermal resist (T2 Caldari), go for gallente. 1/2/2 Vexor, 3/2/0 Algos.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2014-02-27 17:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
2 large, 2 med, 1 small does max dps. Pick drones based on opponent resist hole.

Rule of Thumb:
Gallente (thermal) > Amarr (EM) > Caldari (Kin) > Minmatar (Exp) > Gallente (thermal)

Use Thermal (Gallente drones) to hit Amarr T2
Use EM (Amarr drones) to hit Caldari T2
Use Kinetic (Caldari drones) to hit Minmatar T2
Use Explosive (Minmatar drones) to hit Gallente T2

Gallente/Minmatar drone combo is often used because of higher overall dps and ability to hit both conventional shield and armor tanks well. This is a good default.

You can do the same with a Caldari/Amarr drone combo that reduces overall dps but adds a bit of speed (Hornet > Hob) and and acolytes are able to hit EM hole of T2 Caldari/Gallente ships. Hornet II's will keep up with my "Nano Comet" going at full speed, Hobs won't. And therefore I'm able to retrieve them while burning away from a blob. We see lots of Hawks (T2 Caldari) in our neck of the woods, and Acolytes do really well against them.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#8 - 2014-02-27 17:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Quote:
Use Thermal (Gallente drones) to hit Amarr T2
Use EM (Amarr drones) to hit Caldari T2
Use Kinetic (Caldari drones) to hit Minmatar T2
Use Explosive (Minmatar drones) to hit Gallente T2


That would be true if:

1. There were no damage multipliers in drones
2. You could ferry all four types in your drone bay.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2014-02-27 17:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Quote:
Use Thermal (Gallente drones) to hit Amarr T2
Use EM (Amarr drones) to hit Caldari T2
Use Kinetic (Caldari drones) to hit Minmatar T2
Use Explosive (Minmatar drones) to hit Gallente T2


That would be true if:

1. There were no damage multipliers in drones
2. You could ferry all four types in your drone bay.

1. Nah it's pretty much true all the time.
Gallente drones have highest DPS and Amarr T2 resist hole is Thermal. Check
Caldari T2 baseline resist on EM is 0, and Explosive is 50% (shield). Caldari T2 tanks Kin/Therm. Check
Caldari drones have second highest dps and Minmatar T2 tanks EM/Therm with resist hole is Kin. Check
Gallente T2 baseline resist on explosive is 10%, EM resist is 50%. Tanks kin/therm. Therefore Minmatar. Check.

2. Mobile Depots ftw. :D Plus I also stated that Gal/Min is a good default combo.

3. BTW, baseline dps for a single T2 Hob/Hornets/Warriors/Acolytes are 20/18/16/14 respectively.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2014-02-27 17:46:59 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Quote:
Use Thermal (Gallente drones) to hit Amarr T2
Use EM (Amarr drones) to hit Caldari T2
Use Kinetic (Caldari drones) to hit Minmatar T2
Use Explosive (Minmatar drones) to hit Gallente T2


That would be true if:

1. There were no damage multipliers in drones
2. You could ferry all four types in your drone bay.

1. Nah it's pretty much true all the time.
Gallente drones have highest DPS and Amarr T2 resist hole is Thermal. Check
Caldari T2 baseline resist on EM is 0, and Explosive is 50% (shield). Caldari T2 tanks Kin/Therm. Check
Caldari drones have second highest dps and Minmatar T2 tanks EM/Therm with resist hole is Kin. Check
Gallente T2 baseline resist on explosive is 10%, EM resist is 50%. Tanks kin/therm. Therefore Minmatar. Check.

2. Mobile Depots ftw. :D Plus I also stated that Gal/Min is a good default combo.

3. BTW, baseline dps for a single T2 Hob/Hornets/Warriors/Acolytes are 20/18/16/14 respectively.


EM combat drones are always the wrong choice

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Black Eagle1
#11 - 2014-02-27 17:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Batelle wrote:
EM combat drones are always the wrong choice

Not when fighting Hawks.
Marsan
#12 - 2014-02-27 19:36:24 UTC
Batelle wrote:
[quote=X Gallentius]

EM combat drones are always the wrong choice


You don't know what the heck you are talking about. EM drones are great drone to have in your drone bay to break the lock of a frigate so you can warp off or sic on a logi who's reps you can't break. I'm not saying going into a pvp fight I'd use them instead of sentries or lights, but if I have spare drone bay I always pack a flight of ecms.

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Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-02-27 19:38:52 UTC
He is talking about Amarr combat drones that do EM damage, like the acolyte, wich are crap.


Electronic Warfare Drones on the other hand are a must have on anything even remotely PvP related having a Dronebay larger than 25m³ or no use for drones whatsoever.

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#14 - 2014-02-28 02:09:34 UTC
Damien White wrote:
He is talking about Amarr combat drones that do EM damage, like the acolyte, wich are crap.


Electronic Warfare Drones on the other hand are a must have on anything even remotely PvP related having a Dronebay larger than 25m³ or no use for drones whatsoever.



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Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-28 02:18:04 UTC
Really comes down to specific circumstances. Overall, gallante drones for the damage and Minnie drones for speed in pvp.

But, the numbers really really depend a lot on enemy speed and resistances. Sure gallante have the highest damage, but if the enemy has 91% resist to thermal and 0% to EM then Amarr drone a will be better. Additionally, speed is a huge factor for those fast boys. Drones are 0 DPS if they can't catch up.

So, best drones to use doesn't exist.