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Terrorist attack on Duripant V
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-02-28 20:06:23 UTC
An accent isnt enough to tell who it is. Hell, it could even be faked through skill and editing the footage. Though an Amarrian accent would make Dragonaurs less likely to be the culprits.

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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#22 - 2014-02-28 22:39:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Agiri Falken wrote:

As for leveling the building, that takes more prep and effort than an assault, especially in this case. It's an FIO facility. I guarantee you it's a hardened structure, even if it doesn't look it.

Look, civilian, Mr. Wulver looks like military educated personnel, because he knows which tools are available for demolition of buildings. Even without demolition of the whole building itself, it is times more easier to just kill everyone inside, than just assasinate single target in a demonstrative manner.
I'd recommend you finish first your education in the Academy, and only after that comment about such matters.

Be sure to let the two people who care know if you ever pull your head out of your ***. Enjoy the unused channels list.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#23 - 2014-02-28 22:44:26 UTC
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Well isn't that the bloody mess? These people really seem to go for the killing everybody angle don't they? That accent is most assuredly Amarrian, but we don't know if the Amarrian Government is behind this, or if it is some sort of smaller group, if it's an Amarrian defector working for another group entirely, or anything really.

But I am going to say, my speculation of the Amarrians in SOME form being involved did just get some added weight to it. Whoever they are, they are being damned cryptic though.

Only in the details, hon. The main thing they're getting across is pretty clear. Still not sold on Amarrian involvement, really, since accents can come from anywhere... Hell, I can fake a passable one, and I'm from Lonetrek. Seriously though... What's with the feather? The body count isn't surprising, but I'd love to know what the extra decoration is all about.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#24 - 2014-02-28 22:54:29 UTC
I wonder if there was once an angry minority in Amarr, some of whom left for the Federation, only to suddenly find the Federation invaded by their "kin" - precipitating racial animosity that might even have been mentioned previously a few times in the press? Hmmm. I wonder...
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2014-02-28 23:18:02 UTC
Dammit, this is what you get when you hire cheap mercs. assassinate one man, you tell them. Keep civilian casualties to a minimum, you say. What happens? They kill everyone.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#26 - 2014-02-28 23:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
I would advise all to caution and suggest restraint in both word and deed.

I am unable to independently confirm this report.

Until I have confirmation will refrain from further comment.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#27 - 2014-02-28 23:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
I wonder if there was once an angry minority in Amarr, some of whom left for the Federation, only to suddenly find the Federation invaded by their "kin" - precipitating racial animosity that might even have been mentioned previously a few times in the press? Hmmm. I wonder...

It's a possibility. I'll go right ahead and rule out Dragonaurs though, since they're about as likely to work with jaiji in as my form as you are to get a safe compound from ammonia and bleach. Still, the Empire proper has no real reason for something like this, and nothing to gain by doing it. There is the chance that the Amarrian accent really is the Big Lead, and if that's the case, either they don't care about being identified, or they're stupid enough to think they're beyond reprisal. As for the auction bit... Helluva way to get attention.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#28 - 2014-03-01 00:16:18 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:
It's a possibility. Haven't ruled it out, or in. Point is, the Empire proper has no real reason for something like this, and nothing to gain by doing it. Frankly, I'd look at Matari fringe groups first... There is the chance that the Amarrian accent really is the Big Lead, and if that's the case, either they don't care about being identified, or they're stupid enough to think they're beyond reprisal. The former is less likely, else someone would have claimed unambiguous credit by now.


I do not disagree with you, darling. The accent is important. Let's get a white board. Gaim! A white board please! Thank you. He's my best.

1) This is a point of escalation along an established trajectory of ethnic tension in the Federation that hit an inflection point with the Republic's attack on Colelie.

1a) "Inside Job." Matari living in the Federation have achieved prominent positions within society, and could provide the necessary insights and connections to pull this off from the get go.

1b) "Amarrian Accent." Billions of Matari fled Amarr (for inexplicable reasons). Some chose to return to the Republic out of loyalty to ancestors or whatever; others decided that they needed work.

1c) "Skill." Slavery favors labor over capital. Amarrians do not like to work. That's what slaves are for. The more skilled the slave, the more valuable the slave's work. Amarrians therefore have an incentive to invest in the skill of slaves. This aspect of slavery is understood by almost no one. No biggie. Our elite combat forces are comprised of former slaves. Elite combat forces are elite.

1d) "Risk." Low. Terrorists are already KOS. Now they are what, even more KOS? Oh, scary!

1e) "Motivation." High. Victims of systemic discrimination and acts of violence caused by bigotry in the wake of large migrations of ethnic minorities - plus an actual attack by an actual Matari fleet on an actual Gallente system.

1 Plausibility Assessment: High


2) Her Majesty had a bad dream and woke up one morning convinced that a member of Federation intelligence was going to kill her. She sent an elite team of former slaves to kill him in a brazen public manner.

2a) "Inside Job." Amarr's elite combat forces are former slaves, and blend in well with former slaves already living in the Republic. The skill of the team was so great, they infiltrated the target sufficiently before Her Majesty realized what she had done and called them back.

2b) "Amarrian Accent." Yes.

2c) "Skill." Elite combat forces are elite.

2d) "Risk." Very Very High. Relations between the Republic and Federation are deteriorating. This would reverse all that.

2e) "Motivation." Very Very Low. This served no identifiable interest of the Empire.

2 Plausibility Assessment: Very Very Low


3) The current leadership of the State was infuriated by the release of information implicating them in the overthrow of Heth. They therefore ordered a very public killing in order to... not draw attention to the fact that information was released implicating them in the overthrow of Heth.

3a) "Inside Job." The new State leadership completed its overhaul of the Executor's regime so quickly that it was able to get a crack team of infiltrators into the FIO even though the Federation had just fought a hot war with them and was likely a tad on alert.

3b) "Amarrian Accent." Right... well... the new State asked Her Majesty to lend them some help, because they spent most of the project's allocated resources on getting the crack team of infiltrators inside.

3c) "Skill." Elite combat forces are elite.

3d) "Risk." Moderate. Already at war, so shoot us.

3e) "Motivation." Low. Draws attention to embarrassing report; purely spiteful, harms efforts to reach viable solution to problem of Caldari Prime.

3 Plausibility Assessment: Low


4) Allies of Executor Heth killed someone who released information embarrassing the State actors who overthrew him.

4 Plausibility: Absurd.


5) Unknown Unknowns

5 Plausibility Assessment: well, somebody shot Midular in the head for a reason (that we will never know, thank you backwards Matari knuckle-dragging pin-headed savages).

Voila!
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#29 - 2014-03-01 00:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Agiri Falken wrote:
It's a possibility. Haven't ruled it out, or in. Point is, the Empire proper has no real reason for something like this, and nothing to gain by doing it. Frankly, I'd look at Matari fringe groups first... There is the chance that the Amarrian accent really is the Big Lead, and if that's the case, either they don't care about being identified, or they're stupid enough to think they're beyond reprisal. The former is less likely, else someone would have claimed unambiguous credit by now.


I do not disagree with you, darling. The accent is important. Let's get a white board. Gaim! A white board please! Thank you. He's my best.

1) This is a point of escalation along an established trajectory of ethnic tension in the Federation that hit an inflection point with the Republic's attack on Colelie.

1a) "Inside Job." Matari living in the Federation have achieved prominent positions within society, and could provide the necessary insights and connections to pull this off from the get go.

1b) "Amarrian Accent." Billions of Matari fled Amarr (for inexplicable reasons). Some chose to return to the Republic out of loyalty to ancestors or whatever; others decided that they needed work.

1c) "Skill." Slavery favors labor over capital. Amarrians do not like to work. That's what slaves are for. The more skilled the slave, the more valuable the slave's work. Amarrians therefore have an incentive to invest in the skill of slaves. This aspect of slavery is understood by almost no one. No biggie. Our elite combat forces are comprised of former slaves. Elite combat forces are elite.

1d) "Risk." Low. Terrorists are already KOS. Now they are what, even more KOS? Oh, scary!

1e) "Motivation." High. Victims of systemic discrimination and acts of violence caused by bigotry in the wake of large migrations of ethnic minorities - plus an actual attack by an actual Matari fleet on an actual Gallente system.

1 Plausibility Assessment: High


2) Her Majesty had a bad dream and woke up one morning convinced that a member of Federation intelligence was going to kill her. She sent an elite team of former slaves to kill him in a brazen public manner.

2a) "Inside Job." Amarr's elite combat forces are former slaves, and blend in well with former slaves already living in the Republic. The skill of the team was so great, they infiltrated the target sufficiently before Her Majesty realized what she had done and called them back.

2b) "Amarrian Accent." Yes.

2c) "Skill." Elite combat forces are elite.

2d) "Risk." Very Very High. Relations between the Republic and Federation are deteriorating. This would reverse all that.

2e) "Motivation." Very Very Low. This served no identifiable interest of the Empire.

2 Plausibility Assessment: Very Very Low


3) The current leadership of the State was infuriated by the release of information implicating them in the overthrow of Heth. They therefore ordered a very public killing in order to... not draw attention to the fact that information was released implicating them in the overthrow of Heth.

3a) "Inside Job." The new State leadership completed its overhaul of the Executor's regime so quickly that it was able to get a crack team of infiltrators into the FIO even though the Federation had just fought a hot war with them and was likely a tad on alert.

3b) "Amarrian Accent." Right... well... the new State asked Her Majesty to lend them some help, because they spent most of the project's allocated resources on getting the crack team of infiltrators inside.

3c) "Skill." Elite combat forces are elite.

3d) "Risk." Moderate. Already at war, so shoot us.

3e) "Motivation." Low. Draws attention to embarrassing report; purely spiteful, harms efforts to reach viable solution to problem of Caldari Prime.

3 Plausibility Assessment: Low


4) Allies of Executor Heth killed someone who released information embarrassing the State actors who overthrew him.

4 Plausibility: Absurd.


5) Unknown Unknowns

5 Plausibility Assessment: well, somebody shot Midular in the head for a reason (that we will never know, thank you backwards Matari knuckle-dragging pin-headed savages).

Voila!

Heh. Honestly, news reports like this tend to be something for me to muse on over coffee, unless it arrives on my desk in official "Gokeeleem" format. Gotta say though, that's a pretty thorough assessment. Best I've yet seen in this place.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2014-03-01 05:41:55 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

3e) "Motivation." Low. Draws attention to embarrassing report; purely spiteful, harms efforts to reach viable solution to problem of Caldari Prime.

So, Kimmy did it?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#31 - 2014-03-01 05:44:23 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

3e) "Motivation." Low. Draws attention to embarrassing report; purely spiteful, harms efforts to reach viable solution to problem of Caldari Prime.

So, Kimmy did it?


I adore Diana, but well played, darling!
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2014-03-01 05:52:09 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

3e) "Motivation." Low. Draws attention to embarrassing report; purely spiteful, harms efforts to reach viable solution to problem of Caldari Prime.

So, Kimmy did it?

Four factors say 'no'. It was planned, organised, had an attainable goal, and was successful.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-03-01 07:04:25 UTC
Claude Adoudel wrote:
-The recording begins, starting with the opening sequence of Duripant Regional News; the anchor frowns slightly as he reads the teleprompter-

“A new development in the recent attack on FIO headquarters has come to light. We have received police footage of the aftermath of the attack from an anonymous source; I must warn viewers that they may find some images disturbing” –The news feed switches to an image from a police gun-camera. The officer moves down the corridor, the light from his helmet mounted flashlight illuminating sections of the dark corridor; staff lay about, devoid of any obvious wounds. A shout can be heard “Get a Medic to those casualties.” The officer continues onwards, opening a locked door with a key card and continuing down a flight of stairs, he passes a number of bodies on the way, again with no clear injuries. Upon reaching the bottom of the flight of stairs the officer moves through the door, down a corridor that remains brightly lit despite the power outage in the rest of the building. He moves to a door at the end, sliding his key card through the slot. The image is occluded by the wall as he submits to a retinal scan. The door slides open and he moves inside a large server room, a number of bodies lay around, they’re dressed in scout dropsuits and all have the same injury, clearly a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. A voice comes from off camera “Sir, the servers are burnt out, we don’t know what..”

The recording ends and the feed returns to the newsroom, the anchor opens to speak but is cut off, an eagle behind a background of inverted federal flag, it speaks with a distinctly Amarrian accent. “Ladies and Gentlemen, let me invite you to an auction. Names have a great power.”

-The news feed returns, showing an incredibly worried anchor “Get the feed back! Damnit, cut to commercials!-

-End of recording-

Ahh, there's nothing better than see so many gallentean dead bodies.
Really exciting sight!
Thank you.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-03-01 07:06:25 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:

Be sure to let the two people who care know if you ever pull your head out of your ***. Enjoy the unused channels list.

I see this civilian still enjoys her senseless blathers?
I wouldn't mind actually to meet you someday in a station hall to correct your teeth profile, maybe it will add some sense to your words.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-03-01 07:10:03 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

3e) "Motivation." Low. Draws attention to embarrassing report; purely spiteful, harms efforts to reach viable solution to problem of Caldari Prime.

So, Kimmy did it?

Four factors say 'no'. It was planned, organised, had an attainable goal, and was successful.

In other words, you couldn't do it.
But on other hand, why would you anyway? I bet you, hnolku tyuui, would better kiss gallenteans and kill Caldari instead.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-03-01 12:12:36 UTC
Whoever did this, I wouldn't want to **** with them.

I remember seeing that building when I was growing up, this giant monolithic reminder to be good little boys and girls.. it's weird to see the particular slice of hell I grew up in get so much interstellar attention.

I don't buy the Amarrian angle, probably just a red herring and from that video wouldn't assume that all those people are dead. They have no obvious injuries; if the terrorists had gone in guns blazing... well, there'd be bits of former FIO staff everywhere.

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#37 - 2014-03-01 13:29:17 UTC
Could this be a revenge attack by the Bloody Hands of Matar for the death of Midular last year.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#38 - 2014-03-01 22:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
TomHorn wrote:
Could this be a revenge attack by the Bloody Hands of Matar for the death of Midular last year.

Maybe. Yet another of those fringe groups whose style fits. The whole Amarrian accent bit might be a weak attempt at implicating the Empire, but I'm somewhat thinking 'wait and see' right now. Names and an auction gets me thinking their goal was a list, not a man, as the primary.

Off the deep end, the two could be two seperate organizations. One who bought a name, and the other who has a few more to sell after their sales pitch was made by the former.

The lack of obvious injury could be any number of things. Since the attackers were in sealed dropsuits, chemical agents are pretty likely. Vowrtechs CAN kill without obvious external injury, but there tends to be bleeding from the mouth, nose, and ears from those nasty things. Beyond that, high output electrolasers, PEP's, or other "riot control" weapons can be turned up to eleven while leaving only minimal surface effects that the initial sweep might miss.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#39 - 2014-03-02 02:28:30 UTC
I find the various theories regarding this attack here on IGS very interesting, and I'm learning much to say the least. However I would be hard pressed to say that any one of these theories is 100% correct. As all seem to be based on ones own knowledge to what extent that may or may not be, as well as a good reading of open source information.

With that said, I think we should all keep in mind that the reach of The Federal Intelligence Office is far greater than that of most capsuleers. Their own investigation into this matter will likely exhaust all SIGINT, HUMINT, as well as open and closed sources.

My personal opinion regarding this matter will continue to be shaped as more information becomes available.

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#40 - 2014-03-02 03:01:42 UTC
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Names and an auction gets me thinking their goal was a list, not a man, as the primary.



Maybe they were after the Operation Highlander document, and this group are looking to profit from the names of several high-level megacorp executives that had been compromised but were not named in the leak.