EVE General Discussion

I think scams are good and should remain allowed as long as they can be averted with a little common sense.
The Margin Trading scam is a bit dubious, as this is bordering on abusing game mechanics for your own gain since there is no way to discern if an order is legit or not. It also undermines trust in the market which makes trading harder.
But then most if not all MT scams can be detected if you simply check prices or price history. Or simply think a moment about the advert basically saying: "OMG look at this order which you can make tons of money off but I rather shout about it than make that money myself".

Interestingly, spending a few days in Jita prepared me rather well for all the pitfalls and hooks in real life insurances and mortgages.

Scams:

This is Eve Online, this is were the evil sick sadistic bastards gather to play a game. It's where WoW players come to play expecting to PWN everyone in a months time in a titan only to be slaughtered, scammed, used and immediately told to HTFU or play Hello Kitty Online.

Had someone tried to scam me a few hours ago, I was impressed this one tried actually talking to me and put in some effort. But failed miserably in execution when trying to scam me out of a 425mil part and isk in a contract. I laughed, at end of the day I've seen just about every scam there is thanks to Eve.

Heck I've known people in real life who were talking about some opportunity that came knocking at their door recently and how they were thinking about taking advantage of it to be quickly cut off by me when I started breaking down to them how that scam works in great detail. Lets just say the wise ones listen, and than wonder how I learned all this from a video game.

Scams are fine.

I think the cost of setting up/maintaining some irrational buy/sell orders however are just that, a bit irrational.

I dont even nearly completely understand the vagaries of margin trading and escrow, but I suspect there are some eleents there that need taking a look at. Player behavior is self-regulating, and the gross aggragate of that, is rational. When instances of irrarionality begin tomoccur, its a sign of the limitations of the environment external influences on that self-regulating player behavior.

I think CCP would do well to dedicate a future patch to an overview of trading, and see if they cant more closely model some elements of it on existing IRL trading systems, regulations, taxes, fees and types of buy/sell orders as well as financing them.

I dont consider those "scams". I rather consider themma result of the large part of essentially NPC based market elements and trade affecting elements being very static and undynamic, and the games system as a whole not being quite "finished" yet interms of an NPC system that would emulate the IRL elements of market authorities and regulators being sure they too get their cut.

POCOS was a good change in this direction, as players can set the tax they wish. But the NPC based authorities on stations and variousnfunctiins of stations, are completely undynamic (except for responding to Standing).

One example of this, is Jita. IRL a marketplace in such high demand would be charging a premium for people to do business on their premisis. Though Corp office rent scales dynamically with the demand, the price of doing business there, does not, because the NPC Jita authorities have not responded dynamically at all to demand of their services. (Except in the indirect fashion that a bottleneck has formed at entry points)

CCP should introduce some sort of gameplay mechanic for private detectives. These crimes should be investigated by other players!!

Seriously though, that would be cool.

You sure do have lots of friends quitting EVE for pretty silly reasons... I'm starting to wonder if you're gonna make it yourself! Sounds like you're one scam and two ganks away from your own unceremonious exit.

Good luck!

YK

There is already a mechanic. It's called Due Diligence

Allow me to introduce it to you:

Due Diligence - DD*

1. An investigation or audit of a potential investment. Due diligence serves to confirm all material facts in regards to a sale.

2. Generally, due diligence refers to the care a reasonable person should take before entering into an agreement or a transaction with another party.

*Credit to Investopedia - http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/duediligence.asp

There! I saved CCP programming time and did a solid for the community. Donations not required, but are welcomed

With 2100 people in Jita alone, it's not that odd to see at least one person fall for a (sometimes obvious) scam. I try to stay away from scamming myself, but I won't have a problem with anyone who does. It's all fair game. That's why I love EVE.

To avoid scams:
- Check the item name. A Gneiss is not a Gnosis!
- Count the zero's on big amounts of ISK
- Double check everything
- Don't do drugs (related song by Curzon Dax)

Scamming is more annoying than anything.