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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#41 - 2014-02-27 10:18:04 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.



Sounds like a fun game

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-02-27 12:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Heh, it would make fully-plated, MWD Battleships hilarious to just plow into anything smaller (cool, a way to gank mining ships without getting concorded).

Warp a fleet of 50 freighters onto the 4-4 undock, and watch everything be destroyed for km around.

Warp a Titan into the centre of a subcap fleet - instant AOE DD back in the game.

Seige your dreadnaughts as an enemy fleet warps on top of them, and watch the fleet splatter like bugs on a windshield.

Better make sure you're in-cyno doesn't get killed, cos the "drop at 0 on the sun effect" will mean instantly crushed ship, no-matter what you are flying.

And the the hilarity of seeing a cap fleet cyno in, and immediatly all blow up.
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#43 - 2014-02-27 15:47:13 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.

Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.



As said above the "rubber ducks in a bath tub" physics of EVE has been discussed ad infinitum before.

However for a more serious answer, consider the unexpected consequences of your proposal, in particular what would happen if:

- you are mining and accidently bump an asteroid
- select approach on any object with MWD engaged
- anything large (orca freighter etc) plows through all the small ships on dock at Jita
- you are trying to navigate through any of the "scenery" (large abandoned stations etc)

Plus ... to be even slightly realistic you will need a much more sophisticated damage model for ships, more akin to that used in combat flight sims, and what part of a ship you bump would suddenly matter. The scenery would also require a damage model. This stuff is more a thing for Valkerie.



It is far simpler to simply say "Ships in EVE have a funky force field that makes them bounce off things".


YES! Thank you for this response! This is exactly what I was asking. Yes...the game would completely be a different game....probably one that would not be possible in today's environment. This is exactly the type of thought I wanted to discuss. Thank you again for 1. Being on topic. 2. Taking the time to list some examples.
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#44 - 2014-02-27 15:50:43 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet.


Awesome thought. Big smile
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#45 - 2014-02-27 16:01:34 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response?


It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic.

Vanity Tian wrote:
It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do.


I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums.

Enjoy the rest of you day.


You are banned from replying in this thread. Big smile

Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#46 - 2014-02-27 16:03:08 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response?


It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic.

Vanity Tian wrote:
It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do.


I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums.

Enjoy the rest of you day.


You are banned from replying in this thread. Big smile

Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your


I'm not banned from anything.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#47 - 2014-02-27 16:06:25 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Marit Mankalas wrote:
Maybe, there would be something like "the shield of both ships reduce the speed of the colision and there is no domage in normal conditions".

So there will be real damage only if one of the ship is at full speed... or if the shield of one of them is down.

I would find this cool, if it would be "not too often".





P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.


If 1 ship had shields down and other had shields remaining. I'd still see the other ship with no shields just bouncing away. Unless of course you have 2 ships that have had their shields depleted then you would start to see damage to ships.


Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2014-02-27 16:09:51 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe

Yes. Such a change in dynamic is called “massive imbalance”.
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#49 - 2014-02-27 16:13:41 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet.

Considering a titan's speed, I would say more like "gently pushing aside"

I think the main reason, though, for this being unfeasible is the sheer amount of extra calculations and server load it would bring.

Imagine HED-GP, but with every single collision being processed in addition to all else.


Yes...from a computational standpoint, this would be unfeasible.

But in your example.....I would assume that certain fleet doctrines would be developed to 'spread' the ships in a way. Maybe more akin to what they do in the Honor Harrington books of a 'Battle Wall' I believe Weber calls it.
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#50 - 2014-02-27 16:14:59 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response?


It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic.

Vanity Tian wrote:
It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do.


I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums.

Enjoy the rest of you day.


You are banned from replying in this thread. Big smile

Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your


I'm not banned from anything.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.

Btw...thanks for the bump.
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#51 - 2014-02-27 16:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanity Tian
Tippia wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe

Yes. Such a change in dynamic is called “massive imbalance”.


Yes...Most probably. Most all PVP happens out of armor tanks. From what I understand. And I'm not arguing against that at all. It's a true testament to a game that gives the tools where the players end up with a 'culture' of sorts because one type of fit generally performs better in PVP than another.

This sort of dynamic change would seem to really change the current armor tanking pvp fleets. Very interesting thought.

BTW Tippa - I want to thank you for the link that you provide in your profile. I have used that link to help learn more about EVE when I first started playing. I actually have saved a copy of it and refer to it occasionally. Thank you for providing that.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#52 - 2014-02-27 16:31:28 UTC
Bumping is overpowered allready
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-02-27 16:35:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock.

except that Jita 4-4 undock will be clean after 1 day after this change came to server

One more reason to split markets!

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#54 - 2014-02-27 16:39:04 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Heh, it would make fully-plated, MWD Battleships hilarious to just plow into anything smaller (cool, a way to gank mining ships without getting concorded).

Warp a fleet of 50 freighters onto the 4-4 undock, and watch everything be destroyed for km around.

Warp a Titan into the centre of a subcap fleet - instant AOE DD back in the game.

Seige your dreadnaughts as an enemy fleet warps on top of them, and watch the fleet splatter like bugs on a windshield.

Better make sure you're in-cyno doesn't get killed, cos the "drop at 0 on the sun effect" will mean instantly crushed ship, no-matter what you are flying.

And the the hilarity of seeing a cap fleet cyno in, and immediatly all blow up.


Jeeze yes this would cause much havoc in fleet doctrines. And I didn't even think of the effects of the sun. One of the main questions I get when showing EVE to friends, is "Why doesn't the ships get blown up getting so close to the sun?"
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-02-27 16:40:43 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:

Btw...thanks for the bump.


Lucky your portraits only show both your faces, if you have your way that could have caused some structural damage (maybe even someone might have blown up) Blink
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#56 - 2014-02-27 16:41:38 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
Bumping is overpowered allready


So lets add the rule that collisions cause reprisals from CONCORD. I fully understand that this would be unmanageable and completely exploitable, but this is a 'What If' thread.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#57 - 2014-02-27 16:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Vanity Tian wrote:
You are banned from replying in this thread. Big smile

Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your

Kimmi Chan wrote:
I'm not banned from anything.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.

Btw...thanks for the bump.


I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting.

Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other.

Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant.

You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

www.eve-radio.com  Join Eve Radio channel in game!
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#58 - 2014-02-27 16:44:42 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
Bumping is overpowered allready


So lets add the rule that collisions cause reprisals from CONCORD. I fully understand that this would be unmanageable and completely exploitable, but this is a 'What If' thread.


Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

www.eve-radio.com  Join Eve Radio channel in game!
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#59 - 2014-02-27 16:49:05 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
You are banned from replying in this thread. Big smile

Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your


I'm not banned from anything.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.

Btw...thanks for the bump.
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I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting.

Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other.

Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant.

You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread.

Enjoy the rest of your day.
[/quote]

LMAO....your tears are so enjoyed! You did it again. Thank you!

Keep on bumping.

Oh...did you see the post about split markets? I bet you have something nonconstructive to say about that too. LOL
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#60 - 2014-02-27 16:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Vanity Tian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
You are banned from replying in this thread. Big smile

Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your

I'm not banned from anything.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.

Btw...thanks for the bump.


I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting.

Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other.

Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant.

You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


LMAO....your tears are so enjoyed! You did it again. Thank you!

Keep on bumping.

Oh...did you see the post about split markets? I bet you have something nonconstructive to say about that too. LOL
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There is nothing constructive in this thread.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

www.eve-radio.com  Join Eve Radio channel in game!