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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#1 - 2014-02-26 21:29:58 UTC
How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2014-02-26 21:33:58 UTC
Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#3 - 2014-02-26 21:33:59 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!



Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.

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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#4 - 2014-02-26 21:38:07 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!



Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.


I promise that I am not.

I was more thinking about the large fleet battles where it just ends up being a mass of ships bouncing off one another. But yes, it would definitely change the dynamic of 'bumping'. On that note....I can see where there would be plenty of 'Bumpers' would not like it.

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#5 - 2014-02-26 21:43:57 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!



Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.


I promise that I am not.

I was more thinking about the large fleet battles where it just ends up being a mass of ships bouncing off one another. But yes, it would definitely change the dynamic of 'bumping'. On that note....I can see where there would be plenty of 'Bumpers' would not like it.



I'm not a bumper. I don't necessarily agree with the whole bumping thing. I think these guys should just splat the miners or anyone else that refuses to submit to their demands and call it a day. But it is what it is. They have the devs blessing - C'est la vie.

This being what it is - collisions of ships causing damage = no bueno. Though the mayhem and chaos outside IV-4 would be spectacular. Shocked

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-02-26 21:49:24 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!



Someone like me would park a huge ship on an undock, and everyone else would get blown up.

Oh, and someone like me would use it to "bump" miners and exhumers.

This idea has been proposed before. A lot. It was a stupid idea then, and it's a stupid idea now.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-02-26 21:51:18 UTC
I see that 12945 threads on this same subject with the same ideas just were not enough, and we required 12946.



Search > New Topic.

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Marit Mankalas
Marit Mankalas Corporation
#8 - 2014-02-26 21:57:17 UTC
Maybe, there would be something like "the shield of both ships reduce the speed of the colision and there is no domage in normal conditions".

So there will be real damage only if one of the ship is at full speed... or if the shield of one of them is down.

I would find this cool, if it would be "not too often".





P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#9 - 2014-02-26 21:57:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vanity Tian wrote:
How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!



Someone like me would park a huge ship on an undock, and everyone else would get blown up.

Oh, and someone like me would use it to "bump" miners and exhumers.

This idea has been proposed before. A lot. It was a stupid idea then, and it's a stupid idea now.


On the parking the huge ship - I would guess the current mechanics that don't allow bumping until you make an action would get around that...or at the very least there would be a mechanism that would inhibit this.

On the "bumping" of miners and exhumers, I would think that these ships should rightfully be the biggest and most mass laden of all the ships in EVE...so if you did 'bump' them...you would cause yourself just as much damage as you inflict.

Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#10 - 2014-02-26 22:03:04 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I see that 12945 threads on this same subject with the same ideas just were not enough, and we required 12946.



Search > New Topic.


sad part is that I can't tell if this is true or fake.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2014-02-26 22:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Vanity Tian wrote:
Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term.
You don't want real world collision mechanics. With regards to the bumping of freighters and mining ships, hitting a slow moving multimillion ton ship with another multimillion ton ship travelling at 2km/s is going to leave a bloody big hole in the slower ship if real world physics were imposed. Kinetic energy has to be part of the equation.

Slightly off topic; theoretically you can make a real mess of a planet using an object millions of times smaller if it's going fast enough. It's been a staple of sci-fi for years and was a commonly touted idea during the cold war.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-26 22:09:36 UTC
How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#13 - 2014-02-26 22:14:45 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:

Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term.


The game is based off an underwater physics model, actually. It's a submarine simulator.

Also, if you want psycho realism, you shouldn't be playing an MMO.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2014-02-26 22:15:28 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.
It would be as if we played a horribly balanced Bethesda game with hilarious AI.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-26 22:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Tippia wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.
It would be as if we played a horribly balanced Bethesda game with hilarious AI.


I just hope "horn lube" is an affordable commodity in this game. Or maybe a debuff you put on the player closing on your six.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group
#16 - 2014-02-26 22:22:38 UTC
Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.

Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-02-26 22:23:23 UTC
Unicorns can only be piloted by virgins.


... just saying ...
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#18 - 2014-02-26 22:26:27 UTC
Vanity Tian wrote:
Not sure where the negativity is coming from.


I can tell you where it's coming from.

Vanity Tian wrote:
I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.


A question that has been asked again and again, over and over, ad nauseum.

Vanity Tian wrote:
Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.


You're very welcome. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#19 - 2014-02-26 22:27:40 UTC
Marit Mankalas wrote:
P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.


Your English is strides better than some of the native speakers here.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-02-26 22:27:43 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Unicorns can only be piloted by virgins.


... just saying ...


According to comments I get in local, my unicorn pilot's license is valid.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
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