Player Features and Ideas Discussion

See, I just don't understand the logic there, if what you say CCP is trying to achieve with the Gallente boats is accurate. There are 5 low slots on a Vexor. If you are a brawler, you have to be buffer tanking in my opinion with the slot layout and cap. So penalizing the speed of a plated ship that has to get close to be effective makes no sense. Guess the idea is to just put a 3 slot shield tank on the thing, have someone else apply tackle, and hope for the best.

Or, someone at CCP needs to sit down and take a good hard look at the decisions behind the need for nearly every PVP ship to fit full tackle.

That's a far more difficult approach, but it could pay off richly in terms of providing more diverse ship fitting options, especially for Amarr ships.

kind of repeating previous posts, but if you actually use mediums in an algos you're going to get rekt because they're awful. you're also wasting tonnes of bay on a ship that already has none. the algos in particular I find funny, because destroyers all have tracking bonuses, and this one lets you fit the drone equivalent of a medium weapon, i.e. no tracking at all.

it is an intended mechanic, but it's really very bad, and they should get rid of it because it's stupid.

No worries there, USB power is very balanced.


Or, someone in the playerbase needs to sit down and take a good hard look at the decisions behind assuming every ship requires tackle and should be able to work well alone.

Ships are allowed to not have good solo-ing as an intended role, and thus suck at solo, but instead shine in fleets.

you're making the CCP mistake here of going by what people use and what people don't use.

But what if I want +10 to USB velocity?

The same edge could be given by a slightly higher damage bonus, but a smaller bay allowing the Amarrians to have more different flights of drones, with the Gallente having an outright gank advantage.

Given the breacher has a shield boost bonus and you ate increasing RoF, could we get say a 5 m^3 increase in cargo so there is room for the extra missiles/rockets among the cap boosters for the ancillary shield booster?

Very much so, and I quite like the idea with the Worm able to field 2 different flights with a spare for one of them. It actually looks quite strong to me, with the closest comparable ship (if you ask me) being the Ishkur which doesn't even get a damage bonus to its 5 drones and its (edit: 3.75 effective) guns (edit: with a range bonus) being compared to the Worm's 8 effective drones (which are a pain in the ass to kill at that) and 3 effective launchers as long as you use Kin/Therm (one of which is the most commonly used damage types, so I'm pretty okay with that).

Edit: the Ishkur also has a 50m3 drone bay giving it only 2 full flights with no spares. Though it is substantially more effective at using other types of drones (EWar, repair, etc.)

I'm definitely going to be picking up some Worms to play with.


Good thing to note, Mediums have a signature resolution of 40 technically putting them in the small weapons system class, though it's somewhat odd as they have pretty low application, but rather high damage for a small weapon system


So the popularity of a ship has nothing to do with its effectiveness, absolutely nothing at all. Alright, sounds legit. People don't fly ships because they're strong or have a higher chance of surviving/winning fights, they fly them because they don't mind losing their investment every time they get into a fight.

I mean, I have go-to ships for fun, but I also have go-to ships for when I need to win a fight, and those also happen to be fun to fly too, so there is some overlap that causes me to fly the good ships more than the "fun" ships.

I'm sorry, but there is something to be said for usage statistics. Don't use them as the be all and end all, but definitely use them to see where problems may exist.


Edited for some odd wording.

you can use popularity as an indication that something might be up. popular doesn't mean overpowered, and unpopular doesn't mean underpowered. there is, yes, something to be said, but that's all.

I did.



Well that's your problem right there . That, or you were trying to shoot a frigate, which mediums just suck at. In all seriousness though...


With a mixture of caution and reckless abandon, I have used destroyers very successfully against cruisers in the past. That is actually what I have in mind when I am saying they don't have trouble applying damage. If I fly Algos/Vexor, I consider the trade-off between being able to adapt damage against the size of the targets I'm shooting versus my sustainability if I lose the drones appropriate to that target:

• For the Algos it means either carrying a 2/3 set of mediums/lights to hit big targets and a set of 5 lights to hit frigates, OR carrying 2.4 sets of light drones so I can fry all frigates. The former gives me more damage potential if I run into bigger stuff, while the latter gives me more long-term confidence that I won't be turned useless if my drones pop.
• For the Vexor, it's either 2/2/1 H/M/L + 5 M, OR 2/2/1 H/M/L + 10 L, OR 10 M, 10 L, 5 EC-300. The same concept applies.

I think the disconnect here is that I am brave/stupid and will charge at cruisers with destroyers. I usually only do that when I can distract the cruisers with something else first, though, like a gangmate in a tanky cruiser.


Wat. You can already carry 116 Navy Cap Booster 50s in a Breacher. That's 12 MASB reloads. Why the heck would you even carry that many in the first place, let alone needing more?