Intergalactic Summit

Again pulling these assumptions out of nowhere. Gallente as usual thinking they know everything about cultures with which they have no actual personal experience with.



After enough generations, it stops being basic survival and starts being internalized truth. This is why it is a generational process.

Several of the Okusaiken maintain sizable stations and presences within the Empire. Still, I'm surprised to see us making up 18% of your population...

Fine then. Answer the original issues I raised in my original post. I'm still waiting for just one person to address those. Mintor tried telling me that I don't understand the religion and the purpose of slavery (which I feel I do but, whatever) so please, by all means enlighten me.

If your system is superior why not compete in the marketplace of ideas and let each decide for him/herself, free of coercion?

I won't attempt to address Kim-haani's comments, or indeed many of the arguments between the Amarr and Matari; that is not my place, surely, and I could only handle that subject poorly.

Still, my thought as a citizen of Ishukone and the State:

Uplift is noble and right.

It is the duty of every master-- whether father, lord, or executive --to lift up those he is responsible for, and who have a responsibility to him. So it is with the corporate state, where corporations rightly and dutifully train their employees and employees' children so that they may be bettered, and may better serve their parent corporation. So it is with the Empire, where masters rightly and dutifully lift up those who would otherwise live in squalor, so that they may live in glory and light, and bring glory to the Empire.

When a Holder treats his subjects and slaves well, and tends to his religious duty to bring them into the light, then I laud that Holder's actions. When a Holder makes not even a pretense of pursuing the ideal of uplift, then I would condemn him.

Sometimes, though, the uplift of the many requires suffering, that the many may learn from the failures of the few and from their punishment. We must remember that the many are those whom we must concern ourselves; if we try to make our society for all, or strive to uplift all without realizing that there will always be recalcitrants and reactionaries that must be punished, then we in fact are doing a grave disservice to the many, and to ourselves.

I've carried on long enough, but suffice it to say that as a producer of TCMCs and other implant-grade materials, it is my feeling that so long as the ideal is the rule instead of the exception, sometimes-unfortunate happenings are acceptable.

If you truly seek enlightenment, then I suggest you apply for a place on one of the SPCS' training courses. Not only are they free, but food and accommodation are provided.

something something something, takes one to know one. Hurrr.

And now watch Andreus rage about how irrelevant my low opinion of him is. But don't quote this paragraph, so he won't know it's a set-up, heheh. Don't ask him about the time he pledged his allegiance to the Blood Raider captain Asias Urasmie either, he doesn't like that at all, heh.

Mr. Mintor,

I offer my sincere apologies first for insulting you; which was not my intent. Second for my harsh comment regarding the destruction of entire cities. Yes I do believe that freedom from slavery may have to come about from military action, through rebellion or perhaps both. And I know you do not agree with my position on this matter, or perhaps even most.

However I was out of line to even make such a suggestion. In the light of things such a suggestion, like slavery itself, is not reflective of the principles of freedom which I aspire to. The humanitarian crisis which would occur would be massive, and would only spread to all corners of New Eden, presenting several more generations of problems in itself.

Noden Vorpalstar

Slavery sure is a hot topic. I see it discussed all the time yet no one ever seems to change their minds.

I had thought the questions were rhetorical, but if you actually want answers I can give some. Though I am no reformer or moderate.



Humanity would be better under their rule because the Amarr are God's Chosen, blessed with the wisdom to govern and guide God's creations. If you want a secular reason, then it is the leadership of the Amarr that has lead to the Empire being the most powerful and stable nation in the cluster, with the richest artistic and cultural history. That leadership is taught from the moment they are born, and instilled with the tenants of faith: service, to God and Empire. Service is the defining element of the Empire. Not just for slaves, but for everyone living here, from commoner to emperor. We care about what we can do for others, instead of what we can do for ourselves. Slavery is only the first step on that road--the elimination of selfish imperatives, the humility to place others first. Freedom actually changes very little, because all people in the empire are slaves--to their fellow men, to their families, to their leaders, and to God above all. Frankly, most opposition to slavery just shows a complete lack of understanding of Amarrian society, because foreigners place so much importance on individual freedom. The life of a commoner is very similar to the life of a slave--the only difference is that the commoner is expected to walk the path of servitude without needing someone else to hold their hand. In that, it is harder. And for the Holders comes even more responsibility--the responsibility to not just be able to walk the path on their own, but to also guide others onto that road. The True Amarr have always understood this, and it is why they did not rebel from God to pursue selfish desires. Instead, they stayed by His side, obediently, serving Him always. The True Amarr learned how to serve before they learned how to lead. Their example is something we should all strive to follow.

For your other questions...

The Ealur are kept enslaved out of concern for their own well-being. Have you ever met an Ealur? The majority of them could not function if freed. A handful can, and have been freed, but most of them need the guidance of their masters. It would be like releasing a pet dog or cat into the wild--they would be eaten alive by everything else out there. Releasing them and leaving them to fend for themselves when they cannot is cruel. In this, we are serving them as much as they are serving us. The Amarr give them food, lodging, direction, and purpose, in return for their humble work.

Territorial expansion is something that all empires do, just we actually admit it. Sometimes it is through war, sometimes through diplomacy, but every empire is actively engaging in the expansion of their territories, for the purpose of growth, progress, and security. It is God's command to the Amarr that we Reclaim all of his creation, but expansion is also what has ensured that Amarr is unassailable. Even after the secession of the Matari and Khanid territories, the Empire remains the single largest unified power in the cluster. That we could suffer such losses and still maintain our position is a testamont to our strength and stability. If we had not expanded as we have then we would today be at the mercy of the Federation, which would have spared no expense at attacking us out of its hatred for our culture. Strong societies are able to defend their ways of life, weak societies are not. Amarr shall always endeavor to be the stronger.

The Ni-Kunni are not 'relegated' to menial labor. There are several Ni-Kunni Holders, and the Ni-Kunni are gradually expanding their influence. The Empire works on generational lines, not individual ones. The Ni-Kunni are only recently entering into Amarr society as freedmen, and so it will take them time to get to the same level as the Khanid and Udorians. Yes, they are second-class citizens, as are all who are not True Amarr, in recognition of the original sin--but that doesn't mean they cannot progress to a level of prominence in Amarr society. It just takes time.

And for Starkman Prime... that was a tragic necessity to try and prevent the Starkmanir Rebellion from expanding. They were taught very poorly by their Holder, and when he was executed for his heresies they made the worst possible response--butchering an Heir and rising up in rebellion across the planet. They needed to be put down before other Matari started to take inspiration from their example, because a larger rebellion would result in countless more casualties. Unfortunately, Minmatar are stubborn, and so even the threat of total annihilation wasn't enough to discourage future uprisings. So many have suffered thanks to the actions of a few.

And in response to your final question: Because I have a purpose in the Empire, and am proud to be part of a vision for a strong and unified humanity, blessed by God.

See? It's not just the "uncultured arrogant Gallentean" questioning the legitimacy of your "evidence". The fact that you have completely ignored two different people bringing up valid concerns with your statistics is rather suspicious Ms. Kernher. Refusing to address potential issues with your evidence (issues big enough to render it completely invalid) could suggest that you are unable to defend your claim.

Also, Rikaato Ms. Ishikari for sharing my suspicions.