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Yiole Gionglao
#61 - 2012-01-19 14:51:15 UTC
Doh.

Less reward from mining = more botting.

Bots can keep the production up to any amount of demand, in case that actual miners had to waste even more time to get even less mineral at the curently un profitable prices.

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Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#62 - 2012-01-19 14:51:26 UTC
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
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I thought I should let people know: When the forum eats my posts, pressing my browser's Back arrow twice restores the lost text. I see everyone complaining about this, but it hasn't been a problem for me.


Some browsers restore previous text. Some choose to remove it because it's "wasted memory".
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#63 - 2012-01-20 13:18:03 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
[Forum ate my post, so you get the very short version. This could have been multi-post or a page of posts.]


I thought I should let people know: When the forum eats my posts, pressing my browser's Back arrow twice restores the lost text. I see everyone complaining about this, but it hasn't been a problem for me.


Some browsers restore previous text. Some choose to remove it because it's "wasted memory".


New version of Firefox saves forum posts by default on some forums and of c. EVE-forum is one of those where that feature doesn't work ...
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#64 - 2012-01-20 15:38:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:


...Asteroids as a resource are just too bountiful, that is why the price of ore is so low.

EVE is too abundant.


I'll have to disagree as the reports all point that the majority of minerals actually come from drone region drops and reprocessing mission loot drops.

Correct those two and I believe we'd be on the right track.

Nothing clever at this time.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#65 - 2012-01-20 15:50:47 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:


With a Covetor using T1 strip miners and no fleet boosts, I am making 27M per hour. That isn't counting the NPCs. salvaging, sites, PI and such that I am doing.

The ore goes into corp that then manufactures, turning them a profit and all of us more prosperity.


Definitely calling B.S. on this one. 27M @ hr in an unbonused Covetor ... pfftt

If the claim is he's doing it in null-sec ... double B.S. as the Covetor cant tank the rats.

Nothing clever at this time.
Darkest Desire
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-02-04 14:42:54 UTC
I have read many posts on "this needs to be done to counter botters."
As a programmer I can tell you that no amount of code will ever get rid of botters.
Code can be written to counter anything CCP can come up with and vice versa for botter code.
It's an eternal stalemate.

The best thing CCP can do is to just make it more fun to mine normally.
I have read some pretty good posts on how to do this. Most are in the sticky section.

The best thing you can do as a player is suicide gank people you think are botters.
No amount of accusing or crying is going to make them stop.
Hit their wallets, make it worthless for them to mine.

tl;dr Less QQ more Pewpew
Jenshae Chiroptera
#67 - 2012-02-15 12:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Nick Bison wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:


With a Covetor using T1 strip miners and no fleet boosts, I am making 27M per hour. That isn't counting the NPCs. salvaging, sites, PI and such that I am doing.

The ore goes into corp that then manufactures, turning them a profit and all of us more prosperity.


Definitely calling B.S. on this one. 27M @ hr in an unbonused Covetor ... pfftt

If the claim is he's doing it in null-sec ... double B.S. as the Covetor cant tank the rats.


Where else besides null are there ABC ores? Roll
MLU II, mining drones, cheap hardwire.

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If you haven't already noticed, [blah blah].


Guys, relax. He is just stirring the pot.

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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#68 - 2012-02-15 12:33:39 UTC
I had a somewhat similar idea. Not sure if this could work but worth a thought I think.

Just remove all the ore belts. Maybe keep some low-grade low-demand asteroid belts in 1.0 systems for bloody beginners.

All other belts would only be gravimetric sites, about the same size we can find at the moment. Of course there would have to spawn a lot more than we have today.

What could that accomplish? First of all the belts are more limited in size than our normal belts we have today. That means there may be more competition for the better belts. They would deplete fast and miners have to scan constantly for new belts. This would be a major inconvinience for botters, because they can't let their bot fleets unadministered for long if they don't want the to stay in an empty space for hours.
The mining profession would be more active, because miners have to search for new belts and they would have to move more from system to system to find new "gold". More competition for the better and bigger belts would be there.
Even low-sec mining could be made viable again. Miners could find better ore than they find in the low-sec belts to date and they have to be actively scanned down which gives the watchful miners time to react.
Don't know how that could impact nullsec. Maybe they could make use of some kind of iHub upgrade that changes their systems to have the normal belts again. This way a miner in nullsec could make a more steady income with better ore.

Just my 2 cents.