Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well for people who value whoring on mails and being completely escapable this ship will be the new hotness

Well, right now you can put two lasers on a sentinel and dual rep injected, full tackle........with 4 mids, better resists, neut range......

I've done it before, it's not great but is better than the current cruor in many ways.

You can solo in a sentinel and you can do fleets because you can be at ranges where you aren't always in immediate danger. The cruor is stuck doing solo or extremely small gangs because in order for it to apply dps and it's neuts it is well inside scram range and everyone's guns.

And as I mentioned, it IS possible to brawl with a sentinel. During the reign of the dramiel I had a dual rep sentinel that ate quite a few of them. It only had one neut and two guns because it needed all the dps it coild get (especially during a drone war).....and with those two guns it was like 120 dps with scorch and that's about as much as the cruor does with conflag.

Heck, a triple neut tristan has the same slot layout (lows and mids) and nearly the same neuting power, as well as a weapon system that operates well past anything the cruor can do, while doing pretty much the same dps.........it just doesn't have the web.

So yes, the sentinel steps on the cruor's toes in many ways.

Would it be unbalanced to give the worm 5m3 more space in the drone bay so it could carry 3 different flights of drones? Especially with drone rebalance.

Your tastes aside, isn't it part Caldari to begin with? So shouldn't it inherit the lock range of Caldari ships, too?

EDIT: It seems unreasonable to ask for another 5m3 of drone space considering the Ishkur only gets 2 flights at max skills, where the Worm gets 2.5 flights right off the bat.

Found this thread after making my own regarding the Cruor here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4646551#post4646551

It seems I came to the same conclusion that a lot of other people here did. The Cruor, even in its new incarnation, is simply no good. Originally I was questioning whether my examination of the frigate was correct - but having seen this thread, I see that I'm not the only one who can't pin an actual effective role for it.

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My recommendation:
Give it a range boost on the Nos/Neuts and the energy weapons to 20-30km's so that the frigate can fly at a range the web bonus implies it's meant to fly at. Get rid of the drone bay, it really doesn't need it.

OR, make it an actual brawler. Toughen it up a lot, make it immune to scramblers disabling its MWD, add resistance to webs, get rid of the range bonus on the webs for some other bonus; make the Cruor something you really really don't want getting right on top of you. Whatever works and stays balanced. (It still doesn't need the dronebay for this. Please don't put a dronebay on it)

Basically the Cruor has no real defined purpose. Figure out what the frigate should/needs to do in a PVP situation, then go from there on your design and make it good at whatever its PVP niche is meant to be.

Suggested roles:
Yarr it's a pirate ship, make it good at solo-PVP or small-gang warfare (I think the Cruor as a solo-PVPer and the Ashimmu as the small gangfighter would do swell for roles)
Keep the theme of the Blood Raiders (and thematic vampire associations) alive, by making the Nosferatu the primary module to focus the rest of the ship around
Give the Blood Raider ships more things in line with vampire mythology - regeneration, difficult to kill, stalkerish, weakness to garlic, up close brawling, insta-popping when warping close to the sun, etc.

The Cruor always had a purpose: Useless..

Any other Faction Frigate will make toast of it in its current form.
All they need to do is stay out of neut range and the cruor is toast.
The web range bonus is only nice in a gang, and if you fly in a gang you are better off bringing a hyena.

The Cruor has **** dps.
Capacitor, CPU and Powergrid are horrible.
And the only way to fit it decent is full faction fit.

FIX the Cruor please..

Cruor =/= Daredevil.

You see, a Daredevil goes over 5.5km/s with its MWD overheated. Cruor goes 4km/s with nothing slowing it down, and ~3.3km/s with 400mm plate and armor rigs. On top of that, a Daredevil has a LOT more agility to use that speed to its advantage.

People are whining about being "unable to use cap warfare bonus" because "web isn't strong enough to close range" against AB/web/scram frigates, which is a hilarious joke if you ask me. At least you can USE that web now, and you dictate range against anything with a MWD instead of the other way around...

A-type nos reach to 10.2km, scrams hit to 11km heated, which means that your enemy would have to keep you at 10.5km for the entire duration of the fight to kill you, not counting that you will still have, say... 3000m/s speed vs their 500m/s before you get into web range, then scram range about a server tick later, meaning you will land right on top of them.

If they're MWD/web/scram, then they have small capacitor pools and will take quite a while to pull range, easily getting capped out in the time that would take.

I'm saying this from actually using the ship quite a bit - I was on Singularity and tested the new iteration against Daredevils, Crows, and random cruisers (would not recommend unless you have skirm+armor links, but you could solo one if you had those) you lose to the Worm hardcore, but you can just choose not to fight one.

2x small nos on a Cruor is enough to run a dual rep setup which will be more mobile, have greater tank in almost every situation (tested vs Daredevil) and have more engagement range than a fit with neuts. Simply put, fitting neuts for any reason besides buffer neut fit is probably a bad idea.

Considering that I've fought and killed DD in a t2 fit without using exile OR ancillary repairer OR links OR t2 rigs, you're just wrong about this. Granted, he was using Ions instead of Neutrons (still had a mag stab and DPS rig) - but I was lacking anything like anci rep, deadspace rep, or exile that would have made me tank his damage better.

One thing to keep in mind is that the only reason to exclude the ancillary repairer from your fit is if you intend to fight enemies with a lot more capacitor than you, such as a cruiser - that's because once you nos your target dry, YOUR capacitor starts to run out because of that, so you can't support standard dual rep like a cap boosting Astero might.

If I'd used a C-type repairer with anci armor rep + c-type Corpii rep + t2 aux nano pumps, my OH tank would be 253. Standard Exile makes that 303. So, what was that about 300 DPS? Also - don't you run with links, anyways? That'd make your tank on just the c-type repper up to 167 OH'd, assuming you aren't using a rep speed link.

Personally, I don't use links, but the unlinked numbers are good enough for me.

Other reasons why your comparison to the Incursus is bad:
1. Dual Rep incursus can't nos your capacitor to 0.
2. Dual Rep incursus doesn't have a web, let alone a range-bonused web to deal with kiters.
3. Dual Rep incursus has MUCH less buffer to absorb vollies from its enemies.

Cruors will rarely be seen after Kronos because EVE players are bad at the game.

You're right about Sisi... there was a lot, and I do mean A LOT of bad players on, trying the new Mordu's Legion ships. Each using their own specially poorly made fit. However, I'm doing my best to try and filter out those fights from my judgment.

My point about AB/Web/Scram is that at least you can land on top of/near to your target once you land, they can't keep you on grid AND avoid you (I.E. Cruor can only be kited by other long range webs) whereas a 90% web with no range bonus is very hard to use given the Cruor's low speed, assuming you don't have links and Fed Navy Web, of course. If you're the kind of person that flies with those, this is definitely a nerf.

I don't get why people are terribly worried about just AB/Web/Scram, is all... plenty of other fits can't dictate range against those fits, but that is a very specific setup. I mean, there are dualprop Dramiel fits that can't dictate range against AB/Web/Scram, so why does it matter a lot more when a Cruor has the chance to cap out its opponent? Additionally, not every fight is a 1v1, and not everyone wants to run away from you... otherwise they probably would not have let you get that close to begin with.

The Cruor shines brighest in small scale engagements like 2v2 with a DPS ship by its side. Perhaps a Daredevil if you really want that 90% web ;)