Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Alright, I'll admit. I am kinda mad. I also had some drinks last night, so that can't have helped.

But have you ever flown a Rail DD? I have. I have never lost a 1v1 in a Rail DD. And I almost always take a 1v1. There's very few things that will ever make me shy away from a 1v1 in a DD. I can literally slowboat faster than most ships MWDing when I have a web on them. In the case of them having a web, I can slowboat faster than most ships if they are AB fit. The only thing that can typically outrun me when I have a web down is an MWD+Web+Scram ship, but most ships can't apply webs and scrams at 18km.

Have I lost Rail DD's? Yes. I have. Always to more than one opponent. As I said, the scalability of the web bonus isn't great, but it's ridiculously overpowered in 1v1 situations.

In my experience, the 90% web bonus is overpowered, easily allowing people to completely dominate range and win almost any fight against similar numbers.

Also worth noting, I'm not completely against the Serp ships having a web strength bonus. I just want a number tweak to bring it into a more reasonable range.

Yup and that's a fair thing to say however there's a vital difference beteen the Daredevil and the Cruor that can't be overlooked - the fact that one is always picked over the other simply because it is so much better. I see very little danger in leaving the 90% web on the Cruor especially since the only notable "buff" the ship seems to be getting is the added DPS of a pair of drones, and I guess the "cool" factor of the Nos change.

Putting this slightly differently (and entirely hypothetically) if giving the Rifter a falloff bonus suddenly made it the strongest frigate around, you wouldn't strip the Wolf of this bonus and give it, for example, an optimal bonus, while leaving the Rifter as is. This is however, precisely what's happening with the Cruor/Daredevil situation. Stripping the Cruor of it's strongest bonus isn't going to improve it or make it more popular, especially with the rest of the laughable changes to it (sorry Rise.)

These two ships should quite probably have there web bonuses swapped, ie daredevil gets a range bonus and the cruor maintains its 90% I have a feeling the Daredevil will continue to be just as strong. As for the Cruor, it probably won't be any more popular, but it'll be less bad.

Edit: I forgot to answer your question, but yes I've flown a Rail DD and everything you say about is true, which further compounds everything I've just said, and continues to make me scratch my head at the lack of change to the Daredevil.

um people who plan on breaking enemy logi bring them to fleets if they have any idea what they are doing. plenty of people bring them to fleets who dont use dreads and they use them for breaking enemy logi. anybody who is in a fleet that needs neuts is going to pic from 90kehp or 40kehp? thats right the ashimmu crushes the curse with the same nueting power , actually it can fit more medium neuts than the curse and still have 2 times the ehp and 90% win win. in any fleet ehp is paramount for survival.

Sent doesnt fit in novice plexs. the whole unique part of the cruor is the 90% so people who ******* WANT the 90% will pick the cruor to literately hold targets down and guess what? the cruor wont die INSTANTLY when 5 hob's look at if funny.

Why cant you do same thing with tristan, give 20 bindwidth and +5% damage bonus, less cargohold, 30m3 for example, But give it one more medium slot??

Pirate ships traditionally don't have the different slot layout on the drone boats. Despite the extra slot the Gurista's line isn't known as a good line anyway.

The gimping isn't arbitrary. Drones are super versatile and most of the drone boats have been more or less fine for years with one less slot. The ones that have been under powered were so for reasons other than the one missing slot.

I don't like the 10% damage nerf for sansha ships that is mostly overlooked in the replies here. Afterburners are cool and all, but 10% less damage will hurt the entire sansha line.

Anyone know why the Cruor is still a piece of s**t or should I just go ahead and :CCP: the idea of it not being a piece of s**t.


Y'now what, thats not entirely fair as to be honest the balance stuff has mostly been good but come on, lets get real here; the Cruor is really **** poor still. Lets not beat around the bush. Is it going to be fixed or is it seriously staying like that?

I am so excited the pirate ships are getting rebalanced! I re-subbed almost solely just so I can discuss them.

However, I'd like to discuss the Sansha ship's identity specifically. Since they use Cadari and Amarr technology one would expect excellent fleet ships with unsurpassed power cores. Shield and cap regeneration should be a strong component of the factions technological advantage. Yet the stats seem to be purposely subpar in those areas. For example the shield regeneration time for the old Succubus is 910 seconds compared to the other pirate firgates's 625 seconds. The other Sansha ships have subpar shield regeneration as well and their capacitor regeneration is mediocre. I'd just like to know why and if it is acknowledged.

The Afterburner bonus is certainly unique and likely to be strong. But, since when are Caldari or Amarrian ships fast? They are typically slow impenetrable bricks. This is just some random generic bonus that feels Minmatar. I don't like it.

There are one of two directions I'd like to see Sansha ships head. The first is a more conventional fleet ship that relies on powerful lasers and impressive capacitor and shield regeneration to survive combat. The other option is to make the Succubus and Phantasm more ambush and aggressive focused. Allow them covert cloaks so they can surprise unsuspecting foes but stats such that they don't do well if caught out of position. They even have stealthy names. In this option the Nightmare should remain largely unchanged.

I agree with potential for cap issues. I hope they do look at potentially buffing the tracking bonus, although we won't really know where the tracking is at until they are on the test server.