Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because that requires you to actually think about the ship your balancing for more than a 30 minute lunch break. How else does that explain the lack of inspired bonuses and roles being thrown out as balancing. Great another super fast kitey frigate, we sure don't have many of those.

Can we talk about the Cruor still being garbage?

Or the Succubus having a ****** tracking bonus that is no way as useful as any other bonus you could give it?

To these people complaining about the Worm with only two drones. You guys aren't getting it. It's not a "gimmick". It's actually a very interesting concept.

The new Worm is essentially 3 ships. You have your main ship (the hull) and your two buddies (the drones) who are essentially attack frigates without EWAR.

This means it feels like you're in a small gang when flying solo in a Worm.

This concept being applied to the Gila and the Rattlesnake is extremely interesting.

They look mostly fine to me, the only thing I do not like about the succubus is the implication that bonus has for webs applied against it.
I know you can't balance for solo and tiny gangs but the new succubus would be exceptionally hard to apply any significant damage against without at least 2 webs on it. So I have some mild fear you're re-introducing the old pre nerf dramiel only this time with cool spikes.

Other then that to the people talking about the cruor neut range, I'd like to remind you all neuts can be used defensively as well as offensively.

Quite agree with this point. The 90% web is very absolute. In the sense that, it just stops your ship.

On the otherhand, I think keeping that 'special-ness' of pirate ships is a very valid criteria in rebalance.

Perhaps a small nerf will be enough to make dreadbought blapping difficult, while keeping the intended idea of bonused web strength alive.

The is pretty much how all drone boats work. The reason this is a dumb gimmick is the other comparable drone boats get 5 buddies instead of just 2. And they also offer other nice bonuses to your buddies, like more speed, better tracking, along with more damage and hitpoints. I'd still take an Ishtar over a similarly buffed Gila, because the Ishtar will get me almost as much raw dps, and give me faster heavies or better range on sentries. And more control range without having to eat into CPU using a drone link augmenter.

Regular drone boats are also more durable, in that an enemy has to lock and kill 5 drones instead of just 2. Kill 1 drone from a regular drone boat fielding 5 drones, and you knock out 20% of the dps. Kill 1 of the Worm's drones, and you cut the dps by 50%.


It is a dumb idea. I would rather have velocity and tracking bonuses so my drones could actually get to and hit other frigates. Those work well on the other drone boats, so they should just apply them to the Worm.


Edit;

Also, the Gallente frigate skill gives bonus to missile damage? How does that make any sense? So not only does this ship have really weird drone bonus, but the Gallente skill buffs missiles of all things.

Gallente skills for Gallente drone bonuses. Caldari skills for Caldari shield resists. And the hull bonus should be for e-war.

Those light drones with 300% HP bonus are gonna be as tough as attack frigates. Add a drone durability rig and they will be almost impossible to kill.... they will also be hitting very hard. It will be like having an extra 2 ships with you

Stacking penalty for 2 mods is 87% off the second stack.



And? The web bonus alone is awesome.

A Dramiel doing 1952m/sec on AB after having a 90% web applied will go 195m/sec.
A Dramiel doing 1952m/sec on AB after having 2 60% webs applied will go 374m/sec.

That is not as you just claimed the same. In fact the 90% web significantly better.

From myemmory i dont think any frigate has 5 mids. THInk they fear it become an uber tackler.