Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Opportunity costs doesn't apply to purpose build fitting the way you are using it. If you need to give something up to accomplish a purpose with a fit you do that because regardless of what fitting options may be bonused, if they detract from your fitting goal they are completely unattractive even though incentivized.

So far as highslot configs, so long as the missile slots remain, even if unbonused we likely won't see any less preference for them than current as people looking for more damage will still gravitate towards it and people looking for utility won't be bothered.

In short, yes - I am unsettled.

The concept of warp-disrupting/scramming drones is so far "out there", right now, that even if it *were* to be considered seriously, it would take a whole 'nother patch cycle to begin deliberation and subsequent implementation for.

Suggesting something like warp scram/disrupting drones in this thread is like screaming into the Void - such posts would better fit into their own respective feature request/idea thread.

May be doing this wrong, but a Hob II shows 3396 raw HP after skills vs the worm's 2437.5.

Edit: Was wrong on the hob, it only has 2830. Drone durability is only 5%/lvl, not 10%.

Lachesis, though I guess technically it's not attached to the Gal cruiser skill

WORM

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
15% to drone damage and hitpoints

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
4% to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
75% bonus to drone tracking, optimal falloff and microwarpdrive speed


Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 3L; 2 turrets, 2 launchers (unbonused)

drone bandwidth/drone bay : 25/50

say what you want i dont care, you're gonna just keep supporting that bad design anyways.........

75% aditional bonus to damage and hitpoints at lvl V, along with a bonus for the other statistics, 5 drones avaliable and space for an aditional flight.... 2 turret hardpoints added for people to choose other support weapons if they dont want to mess with missiles. you still get your 8 drones and a bit more of power.....

I'll throw in my 2 cents since I sometimes use these ship and fight them...

Succubus: I like it... the AB bonus combined with laser tracking will make this into a fine brawler ship. I do have some concerns about the the degree of the AB bonus though. I remember there being many complaints about Assault Frigates having this bonus when they were set to have it. Maybe it should be throttled back a bit to 10 or 15% AB speed per level?

Cruor: I LOVE that the proposed Nos ability on it.... It will certainly help when active tanking and also alleviate some of issues I've had with maintaining cap on a cap hungry ship (neuts, lasers, scram, web, and prop-mod). But the web range bonus doesn't seem to have jive with it. How useful is web range when a Nos can only reach out about 7km (at most)?
And don't think I missed that new drone bay you added! Yay! MOAR DAMAGE!!

Worm: I'm excitedly looking forward to this one. All the Worm REALLY needed to be useful was some more CPU and PG and a damage bonus... but the 300% damage/hp bonus for 2 drones gives this a really interesting flavor that I would like to see in action.

Daredevil: No opinions on it. I never found a way to make it work quite right but I largely chalk that up to my own lack of skill and imagination.

Dramiel: I see you have reduced its cap recharge time, agility, and align time in addition to its sig radius... interesting.


Overall, I'm happy with the changes. I would like to see a bit more locking range on all of them though... pwetty prease?

Just wanna touch on the major thing that really bothers me about the changes to the succubus. I have no issue with dropping a high slot... I understand and actually agree with it. What I don't understand is why you put it on the lows? I know everyone is going to jump in and be like "damage mods duh" but seriously... who needs 3 damage mods on a frigate that has the kind of damage bonus this one has on the hull already? I think the extra slot would be more beneficial to the mid slots due to the adding of the AB bonus which will practically guarantee anyone fitting a succubus will def be using an AB. Just my thoughts.

The Worm changes suck for a couple reasons.

The overall DPS is OP. The weird idea of small numbers of over powered drones is just being different for the sake of being different. Dones are already an odd-ball weapon system, and this just confuses them even more.

Also, split weapons suck. The Worm should be a drone boat, so just go with already established Gallente drone bonuses. HP, damage, velocity would all be fine for the Worm without getting into bizarro bonuses. Just keep it with 5 lights, and give it a fixed 10 or 15m3 bay.

Just drop the missile bonus completely. The flavor for the ship says it is supposed to have e-war bonus. If ECM isn't going to be a thing any more, then give it a scram range bonus. That would make the Worm a nice tanky tackle frigate that could put out some decent drone damage in a way that everyone is familiar with. The scram range would help make up for the ships lack of speed.

So...

Gallente Frigate skill = 10%/level drone HP/damage/velocity

Caldari Frigate skill = 4%/level shield resists

hull bonus = 50% range to scram/disruptor

Go ahead an leave the missile slots in the highs if some one wants to use them. Maybe remove a high slot and add a mid slot.


But please forget about the small-number/over-powered drone idea for Guristas. It will either get abused in drone assists, or it will make them less popular because they'll be too easy to lose a big chunk of DPS. If they don't look good compared to the rebalanced Gallente ships, then just add the new bonuses that you added to Gallente. Add tracking, optimal range, velocity, control range, etc. to the Gila and Rattlesnake instead of making them some terrible split weapon boats with bonuses that aren't comparable to any other ship in the game.

for the WORM, why not include the logistics drones over in that bonus - that would increase the way of using the ship.

The way you changing it - it still will be underused, since you basically not changing it at all by making it still a pew-pew-boat of doubtful purpose - there are plenty of such already.

It seems like the 25/50 part is the only issue for you and I have no idea why.


With the bonuses you want, it would be like getting ganked by 18 ships. The trauma for victims would be unimaginable.