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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Frigates

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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#561 - 2014-02-26 00:26:55 UTC
WORM

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
10% drone damage and hitpoints

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
50% to rocket and light missile max velocity

drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50

basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been).......
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#562 - 2014-02-26 00:27:13 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:

Am I just completely math-tarded (totally a possibility) or is a 300% (or 3x) multiplier to drone damage applied to two drones the equivalent of six un-bonused drones, not 8?

IDK if I'm just doing it wrong, but I get 6x unbonused drones' worth of DPS from the Worm's two drones vs 6.25x un-bonused drones' worth of damage from a 5-drone ship with a 5%/level (25%) damage bonus. How are you getting your 8 drones' worth of damage?

You are right on the math, but wrong on the interpretation.

A 300% bonus ADDS 300%, to the original 100%, totaling to 400%.

It's not a 3x multiplier much like the 100% bonus on a marauder is not a 1x multiplier.
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#563 - 2014-02-26 00:28:21 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
WORM

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
10% drone damage and hitpoints

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
50% to rocket and light missile max velocity

drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50

basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been).......


absolutely awful
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#564 - 2014-02-26 00:28:25 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
WORM

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
10% drone damage and hitpoints

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
50% to rocket and light missile max velocity

drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50

basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been).......

Just stop, the Worm is amazing as is. Its unique, functional and powerful without being OP.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Methonash Qorranto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#565 - 2014-02-26 00:29:12 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:

Am I just completely math-tarded (totally a possibility) or is a 300% (or 3x) multiplier to drone damage applied to two drones the equivalent of six un-bonused drones, not 8?

IDK if I'm just doing it wrong, but I get 6x unbonused drones' worth of DPS from the Worm's two drones vs 6.25x un-bonused drones' worth of damage from a 5-drone ship with a 5%/level (25%) damage bonus. How are you getting your 8 drones' worth of damage?


You're not math-tarded, Sir - you're just forgetting one important little detail: that base damage is already at 100%, and you have to factor that in when counting the bonus.

Thus, a 300% bonus on top of 100% equals 400%, or in other words, an effective multiplier of 4x.

So, 4 * 2 --> 8.

With 5 drones at 25% bonus (on top of 100% base), you get 5 * 1.25 = 6.25, which is what you *did* calculate correctly.

In other words, it's 300% of 100%, or 3, on top of the 1 base --> so 4 total, and 4 by 2 --> 8.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#566 - 2014-02-26 00:29:36 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
WORM

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
10% drone damage and hitpoints

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
50% to rocket and light missile max velocity

drone bandwidth/drone bay: 50/50

basically a small brother for the gila, (as it should have been).......


You are amazing. Really. Very Special.
Methonash Qorranto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#567 - 2014-02-26 00:31:29 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:

You are amazing. Really. Very Special.


Much butthurt.

Very melancholic.

Wow.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#568 - 2014-02-26 00:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aglais
I rescind my statement- it looks like I might be able to pump out ~210 DPS from this thing.

Though that makes me want to fiddle with this on Sisi even more to confirm that I'm not just inhaling fumes and being wrong over here.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#569 - 2014-02-26 00:35:28 UTC
seems pretty good
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#570 - 2014-02-26 00:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.

Raw
962.5
1437.5
900

Shield Omni perDT
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55

Armor Omni perDT
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30

Structure
900

Total
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30
900
_____
4,874 EHP for one drone with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.
Kapytul Gaynez
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#571 - 2014-02-26 00:39:48 UTC
Worm looks pimp
Succubus looks pimp(although will have to see how the tracking holds up)
Cruor looks confused but has some definite possibilities.
DD and Dram were already pimp.


Overall solid collection of updates. I love the use of new bonuses. I can't wait to see the cruisers.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#572 - 2014-02-26 00:40:59 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.

Raw
962.5
1437.5
900

Shield Omni perDT
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55

Armor Omni perDT
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30

Structure
900

Total
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30
900
_____
4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.



Not bad != Being fun.

Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!

The Tears Must Flow
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#573 - 2014-02-26 00:44:08 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.

Raw
962.5
1437.5
900

Shield Omni perDT
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55

Armor Omni perDT
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30

Structure
900

Total
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30
900
_____
4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.



Not bad != Being fun.

Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!


I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Nimbolic
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
Moist.
#574 - 2014-02-26 00:46:16 UTC
probably been said, but i wanted to add my opinion.
i think these proposed changes all look pretty good so far.
i would really hope that serpentis ships keep their extremely strong webs. they may be broken like that but its what makes them fun to fly. honestly i dont know that i would fly a vindicator again if that loses the 90% web (yes i realize battleship changes havent been released yet)
whilst i like the strong drone damage bonus on the worm, im not so sure i would like the same '2 strong drones' thing to carry on to the heavier ships. the gila perhaps shouldnt be able to launch 5 heavies/sentries but i think the rattlesnake should.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#575 - 2014-02-26 00:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
Grath Telkin wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.

Raw
962.5
1437.5
900

Shield Omni perDT
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55

Armor Omni perDT
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30

Structure
900

Total
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30
900
_____
4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.



Not bad != Being fun.

Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!


I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun.


I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?...

The Tears Must Flow
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#576 - 2014-02-26 00:47:03 UTC
I really have to chime in and say that the drone bonus on Gurista's hulls should be moved to the Gallente bonus. I know you've stated that it makes the ship perform poorly without Frigate V, but let's face it: these are high SP ships anyway, so you should be flying them with at least perfect spaceship command skills.

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#577 - 2014-02-26 00:47:53 UTC
Quote:

I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?...


It would be demonstratively worse, since it would make the equivalent of 7 drones. Now we have 8.
Kapytul Gaynez
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#578 - 2014-02-26 00:48:04 UTC
Seems like the people arguing for the "5 drone vanilla Worm" don't really explain why besides just repeating "That's how it is supposed to be!" ad naseum. Any chance one of them comes up with an actual reason besides "Cuz..."?
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#579 - 2014-02-26 00:48:22 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:


Not bad != Being fun.

Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!


I strongly urge you to stop suggesting to change it back. I did actual numbermancy on some things- the Worm looks like it'll completely melt face within rocket range. I'm talking 214 DPS with my skills, no doubt more if you have the right implants. Slightly more tank than before, not to mention it's also getting faster, while staying the same (fairly light) mass. These drones are putting out ~111 DPS, will have 4800-5000something EHP and a signature radius of 25m in orbit. This could be a ship that revitalizes drone useage, SOMEWHERE, in New Eden. And it looks like my desire for a missile using shield brawler has come true.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#580 - 2014-02-26 00:49:09 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Just finished calculating the EHP for a RF warrior with a T2 durability rig.

Raw
962.5
1437.5
900

Shield Omni perDT
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55

Armor Omni perDT
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30

Structure
900

Total
240.62
300.77
401.03
601.55
898.43
653.40
479.16
399.30
900
_____
4,874 EHP for one drone doing 82.5DPS with a 25m sig and a speed of 750/5250. Not bad.



Not bad != Being fun.

Keep the Worm as 5/10 drone shield tank frigate!


I personally can't wait to fly it, I think its going to be amazingly fun.


I bet a 5(bandwith)/10(bay) drone ship with 600% bonus would be even better right?...

Not terribly different while having less spares(2 vs 2.5 flights) and lower damage? Why?