EVE General Discussion

If you go to the Jita Park Speaker Corner you will find the thread of CSM candidate Jayne Fillon. In it I brought up the fact that Jayne has made an alt by the name of Bheskagor Azizora and violated the EULA by impersonating another player. I cannot post the logs here but if one were so inclined to search the alt mentioned above online, they may find it on pastebin. While the rules concerning impersonation may be something that people disagree upon I think the important part is the topic of principle. On principle is it ok for someone to represent the playerbase as CSM if they don't even respect the EULA?

Maybe I don't agree with the tax laws in my country or I enjoy some hardcore drug like heroin even though I hurt no one. But if I plan on running for office, I should respect the position enough to follow the rules.

What are your thoughts?

Elected officials acting above the law. Never heard of such a thing.

There is a politician here in NZ who has been levelling all sorts of accusations against a rather large, multi-national Supermarket chain. What he says may have some truth to it. It may be entirely false - at the moment it's too early in the piece to tell.

But, what makes him interesting is that he is only willing to make these accusations in parliament, where he is protected against any defamation or related claims. He's thus far refused to repeat himself in public outside of parliament. At least, that was the state when I last saw something related to this. Typical Labour candidate, to my mind, playing politics instead of actually focussing on what is important.

So, my thought when I read your post and some of what is public on this subject is that you reminded me of that minister. I don't believe in a court of public opinion and I think it's better if you take your concerns to a GM or the appropriate support channels and get it done the right way. That way your nose is clean as well and you're not prejudicing any investigation that CCP may do.

If you look for the logs you'll find them. The OP tells you how to do it. I'll PM you guys the pastebin link directly though.

In any case this thread isn't about Jayne specifically but the principle of the matter. We've seen how it is when people in position get different rules applied to them. Regardless how people feel about the rules the principle remains.

I've seen the logs prior to you sending them, thank you. I do not care about the contents of the logs, for Jayne Filon or for you for that matter. This is an issue for CCP and you shouldn't break more rules in your attempt to achieve ... well ... whatever you want to achieve. That is my thought on the matter.

Then in principle, instead of organising a witch-hunt to burn the heretic - take it to the authorities with the capability to dispense the correct justice. That, good sir, is principle. But taking the law into your own hands when you have correct avenues is definitely not.

And, congratulations to whomever has a 35m SP forum alt. You're one luck person even with such a bad skill spread as mine

The "official" part has been taken care of. I'm discussing the topic in general. Can one ignore rules even if there is debate about them just because it doesn't sit well in their opinion AND hold such an office? I'm not taking any "law into my hands" as I cannot do anything.




Heh you want to talk about stabbing someone in the back? Read the logs. Jayne impersonated me with an alt in order to hire mercs while claiming to be me in order to blame me for the wardec and come out as the "good guy" and then openly brags about it being proud of the EULA breach.

Too bad that:

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/terms-of-service-history-and-clarification/

"To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed."

Specifics were needed because simply asking "can csm candidates break the rules", well we all know the answer to that. This thread isn't made to find guilt or innocence but to discuss the implications. If that's a complicated topic to discuss, don't feel obligated to contribute.

If that is what he did, poor taste for his part and may he be punished by the GM in accordance with whatever rules apply.

But a having a private conversation, either 1v1 or in a small group, in which you then take a persons statements they did not intend for public display and use them to try and publicly shame them, is not something to be ignored.

You might not be that good of a writer, but you have submitted and released several pieces to various game news sites. Any degree of journalism imparts an obligation not to release information spoken with any expectation of confidence. Although this was not directly related to any article, releasing incriminating private logs in which you took part and solicited is still a serious breach of etiquette.

Ideally yes, in reality journalism is biased, for profit and more about scoring points than the truth.