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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-02-24 10:51:17 UTC
We can't directly answer your question because we're not allowed to criticize the moderators.

What I can say is its something to do with the following:

I made a thread regarding how much money you can make in null doing combat sites. I was personally attacked, belittled, insulted, you name it. Nothing at all was done about that.

After 30 or so pages of being personally attacked and the like I then started to report each and every attack - one of the posts was "I don't care if this is a personal attack or not - you're a ******* idiot". That was 3 or 4 months ago and I still have not been contacted by the mod team regarding my reports, and I reported a lot of them. Not even a single personal attack was dealt with.

Nothing, nada. People will do what they can do if they can get away with it. Since they can get away with it without any punitive action being taken against them they will do so.

Ironically while "I don't care if this is a personal attack or not - you're a ******* idiot" was ignored, its likely this post I am typing will be moderated and removed... enjoy your forums :)

Infinity

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#62 - 2014-02-24 11:05:21 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
In GD, people start a lot of stupid threads about stupid crap. I personally feel obligated to advise them on just how stupid their crap is.

In the other forums, you won't see as much of this kind of response. Mostly, because people starting threads in other forums are posting more intelligently. While not every post in every other forum is a sparkling example of good posting, the ratio of good posts to bad is much greater elsewhere than it is here.


You need to add "except F&I". F&I is inarguably worse than here.
Without a doubt.
Posting the same old and tired idea, that was posted only a day or so ago. Week in, week out.


Kaarous,
Mag's,

You two couldn't be more right. I spent my evening and the morning before work looking through the threads over there and holy ****. To be absolutely fair, I feel sorry for people with good ideas. There is now no good place to post a thread on a good idea because their good idea just gets buried in a deluge of stupid, poorly conceived, and repetitious nonsense. It's like a parade of morons over there, one more idiotic than the last.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-02-24 11:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
In GD, people start a lot of stupid threads about stupid crap. I personally feel obligated to advise them on just how stupid their crap is.

In the other forums, you won't see as much of this kind of response. Mostly, because people starting threads in other forums are posting more intelligently. While not every post in every other forum is a sparkling example of good posting, the ratio of good posts to bad is much greater elsewhere than it is here.


You need to add "except F&I". F&I is inarguably worse than here.
Without a doubt.
Posting the same old and tired idea, that was posted only a day or so ago. Week in, week out.


Kaarous,
Mag's,

You two couldn't be more right. I spent my evening and the morning before work looking through the threads over there and holy ****. To be absolutely fair, I feel sorry for people with good ideas. There is now no good place to post a thread on a good idea because their good idea just gets buried in a deluge of stupid, poorly conceived, and repetitious nonsense. It's like a parade of morons over there, one more idiotic than the last.

It's interesting that some people feel they are entitled to abuse, insult and belittle other people because they feel they are the litmus test for "good ideas".

Its also interesting they're so arrogant and self important that they feel they have the right to belittle, insult and post offensively in breach of the terms and conditions of use of the forums.

Its also interesting they lack sufficient emotional self control to the extent they're unable to post constructive criticism and would rather be offensive and abusive.

Personally I'd love to go all full ****** like Kalrus and his friends but I have sufficient self control over my emotions to 1) not take anything personally even though its often very personal (like the guy inferring it'd be great if I died in real life) 2) realise going full ****** over a computer game is 100% stupid.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#64 - 2014-02-24 11:31:13 UTC
(I posted this in another thread, this is a good place to post it too)

troll troll troll

irrelevant, obnoxious post

unmerited, sarcastic insult

i'm better than you

i know more than you

i think i'm witty and edgy

**** YOU for asking a question or creating a thread on these forums, **** YOU

i'm a miserable, pathetic, powerless kid in real life, i use this game and these forums to pretend like i'm cool somehow

/eveforums

By their fruit you will recognize them.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#65 - 2014-02-24 12:00:05 UTC
Lack of empathy.
Complete and utter absence of real, meaningful consequences.
Psychological projection.

Take your pick. It's easy to be a jerk. It's even easier to be a jerk online.

The funny thing is it's infinitely easier not to be a jerk. You literally don't have to do anything. That's it. Yet, people still decide to put in that little bit of work to be jerks. Humans are a weird ass species...
Salvos Rhoska
#66 - 2014-02-24 12:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I tend to find, though, that it is the cynics and pessimists, people who are essentially born haters, who expect everyone else to be bad people from the word go.

vs
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I expect most people are good, based entirely on evolutionary imperative and considering that the human race still exists at all, such a thing requires members of that race to be good to one another for the majority.


Nice contradiction. So you make the claim that cynics and pessimists are "born haters", ergo: biologically predisposed to this (Citation needed), and in the next sentence that actually most people are good, from a biological and genetic basis from evolutionary imperative (Citation needed).

Furthermore, cynicism and pessimism are not "bad" behavior traits, nor reprehensible in any way shape or form, though you make the inane false implication that they would be. As if gullibility and optimism where somehow of superior moral quality.

No. Humans are the apex of the food chain on this planet, and have achieved that position through remorseless control of their environment and each other. And those families and individuals which have risen to positions of financial and social prominence, have done so through efficient exploitation and control of other humans around them. Situations of crisis demonstrate time and time again the essential predatory and opportunistic nature of humans. When faced with adversity, mankind turns on each other in a heartbeat. Everywhere, there is competition, for everything. The moral and legal guidelines of our society exist only to make it possible for us to co-exist in a stable society without having to constantly be wary of impending and imminent danger from every single individual or group around us. They have no intrinsic "natural" value whatsoever. The more severe the threat of danger, the further back the facade of social norms is repealed from most people, all the way down until only your family and ultimately yourself are all that matter. In disasters people trample children and each other underfoot.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that whether an individual is good or bad (which are subjective moral values anyways) is genetic.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#67 - 2014-02-24 14:16:44 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.


Stop posting terrible ideas in F&I then.

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Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-02-24 15:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Your Dad Naked
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.


In GD*, people start a lot of stupid threads about stupid crap. I personally feel obligated to advise them on just how stupid their crap is.

In the other forums*, you won't see as much of this kind of response. Mostly, because people starting threads in other forums are posting more intelligently. While not every post in every other forum is a sparkling example of good posting, the ratio of good posts to bad is much greater elsewhere than it is here.


*ED: Also F&I because Kaarous said so. Lol

Stop lying Kimmi, you're nice enough, even when responding to autistically motivated ideas. Lol



But yeah... OP... maybe one day they'll clean this place up a bit. It seems they've started, at least. I haven't seen "Unsuccesful at Everything" post in a very long time, for instance. While that makes me a bit sad (he was hilarious), he pretty much disobeyed every forum rule besides personal insults. So maybe they are indeed cleaning house finally.
Notorious Fellon
#69 - 2014-02-24 15:12:21 UTC
The majority of the negativity is from 5 posters. Once you ignore them, the forums are way more positive and helpful.

The issue is that those same 5 posters spew their negative and confrontational garbage into every thread. They tear apart every post (especially new posters) into little segments so they can troll, bash and respond out of context repeatedly in efforts to shut down any decent dialogue.

Just ignore those 5 posters. Once you do, the forums become a decent place to discuss the game.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#70 - 2014-02-24 15:26:25 UTC
Really? Everybody is always super nice with me. It must be you then...

On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid.
Miichael Epic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-02-24 16:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Its SMALL D!CK SYNDROME.

Period. That's what it is...people are so devoid of any common decency online because they can be billy badasses and hide behind their computer screen and you can't do anything about it. They know that. They embrace that. Its vital to who they are.

It doesn't matter if you're a decorated war veteran, a highly respected police officer, a buddhist monk, a nun or even a member of the peacecorp.

It doesn't even matter if you're a nice respectable person who tries his very best in life. The insecurity of these people will override any of that. They are insecure, whiny and tiny d!ck syndrome bearing losers.

They are also cowardly. I promise you that they would not be that way to your face. They would especially not be that way to your face with a carry permit and a firearm strapped to your side. That's the way they think.

Me? I'm a nice guy. I'll help you any way I can even if we've never talked before. If you were broke down on the side of the road, I'd stop and help you. If you were hungry and had no money for food, I'd buy you something to eat.

So I'm not going to be mean, rude, hateful or nasty to you on the forum. I don't suffer from small d!ck syndrome. So don't let these people get to you man...this is all they have. They get to be billy badasses online and that's how they grind through their grueling, meager miserable and pathetic lives.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Josef Djugashvilis
#72 - 2014-02-24 16:42:09 UTC
Because they want to, and because they can.

This is not a signature.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-02-24 16:43:39 UTC
Absolute power, corrupts absolutley.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#74 - 2014-02-24 16:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Divine Entervention wrote:
]People like to pretend that when they sit on a computer the actions they perform aren't them performing those actions. Like some magical wall forms seperating themselves from the things they do.

It's a delusional thought process, to cause actions and believe you're not affected by the reaction.

It's wrong, but whatever, they don't care about right and wrong, they only care about immediate self gratification.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Indeed.
When I play Hungry Hippo, it only goes to solidify the fact that I am fat and eat too much.
When I play Operation, it shows my inclination towards cutting people open and playing with their insides.
You simply do not want to know me when I play snakes and ladders, it's not pretty.

All in all, with each and every game I play, it only goes to show the dark side of my true personality.

Next week I R be mostly playing Risk and I shall rule the world. Muhahahaha

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#75 - 2014-02-24 17:06:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Most people like to think of themselves as "good" people.
Unfortunately, few of them actually are.

Prisons are full of people who still think they are "nice and good people".

Also, politeness=/=niceness. In no way shape or form.

The internet has gone a long way to show what true human nature is like.
Probably most people reading this, think of themselves as "nice and good", as if it was some automatic granted thing, whereas actually they are probably harming and restricting people in their daily lives all the time.

People have wonderful ways of self-rationalising their destructive behavior towards others, and still maintaining the self-serving ego impression that "I'm a good person".

The paradox is that internet people will also donate huge amounts of time and skill to developing things like Firefox, GIMP, Wikipedia, etc. On the one had you have people being completely fearless arsehats on the internet, and on the other people being generous and altruistic.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#76 - 2014-02-24 17:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Miichael Epic wrote:
Its SMALL D!CK SYNDROME.

Period. That's what it is...people are so devoid of any common decency online because they can be billy badasses and hide behind their computer screen and you can't do anything about it. They know that. They embrace that. Its vital to who they are.

It doesn't matter if you're a decorated war veteran, a highly respected police officer, a buddhist monk, a nun or even a member of the peacecorp.

It doesn't even matter if you're a nice respectable person who tries his very best in life. The insecurity of these people will override any of that. They are insecure, whiny and tiny d!ck syndrome bearing losers.

They are also cowardly. I promise you that they would not be that way to your face. They would especially not be that way to your face with a carry permit and a firearm strapped to your side. That's the way they think.

Me? I'm a nice guy. I'll help you any way I can even if we've never talked before. If you were broke down on the side of the road, I'd stop and help you. If you were hungry and had no money for food, I'd buy you something to eat.

So I'm not going to be mean, rude, hateful or nasty to you on the forum. I don't suffer from small d!ck syndrome. So don't let these people get to you man...this is all they have. They get to be billy badasses online and that's how they grind through their grueling, meager miserable and pathetic lives.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


I have to refute this just out of spite.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-02-24 18:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Its also interesting they're so arrogant and self important that they feel they have the right to belittle, insult and post offensively in breach of the terms and conditions of use of the forums.


It is also interesting how much free time Eve gives these people, that they have nothing better to do than scour the forums in search for suggestions to belittle.

RAIN Arthie wrote:
Absolute power, corrupts absolutley.


Except these people have zero power, but they act as if they had some.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#78 - 2014-02-24 20:38:02 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Absolute power, corrupts absolutley.

As someone who regularly shoots down terrible threads on F&I I can confirm that it has granted me no special powers, thus my soul remains as pure as the driven snow.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Pew Terror
All of it
#79 - 2014-02-24 20:57:47 UTC
Winchester Steele
#80 - 2014-02-24 21:30:58 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
Thats all true. Thanks for the information and sympathy. I will try and bear with it in the future.
Straight



I honestly don't find this community to be hostile at all. Sure shitposting is often nuked from orbit, just to be sure, but legitimate threads are often debated with mutual respect (well...mostly).

The problem with Eve-o is that people keep posting the same stupid crap over and over. If people just observed the following rules of eve-o, they might find that we forum folks aren't such a bad lot:

1. Grr goons is so 2012. Just stop. Yes they own New Eden, we know. Instead of making the 400,000th post about how much you hate goons, just use the search function and add your tears to the collective.

2. No. Ganking is not too easy. No it doesn't follow that the ganker is a psychopath in real. And no, not a single person here gives 2 sh*ts that you lost your 7th untanked hulk this week.

3. Drones are fine. HTFU.

4. WIS is dead. It doesn't matter what you think. It isn't happening.

I may have missed a rule or 2, but basically, by following these simple steps you will find that our community becomes a lot less negative and hostile. Enjoy!

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