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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#581 - 2014-02-27 23:08:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You did not speak to the potential online habits of people who have lesser sadist-type drives. Or whether or not such tenancies might, in your opinion, play a role in their career paths in EVE Online.

You only asked me if I thought that they existed or not, in a rather transparent attempt to deflect my question.


The question is speculative. If you want to know what a sadist does with their free time, ask a sadist.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#582 - 2014-02-27 23:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
How does an article suggesting that sadism is far more commonplace than most people think, evidence against the idea of "part-time sadists".
By suggesting that there's nothing part-time about it: no lesser compulsion and no inability. In fact, they point to them finding plenty of outlets in their regular life.

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You only asked me if I thought that they existed or not
No, I asked you if they did exist since the premise of your question was itself highly questionable.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#583 - 2014-02-27 23:11:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
How does an article suggesting that sadism is far more commonplace than most people think, evidence against the idea of "part-time sadists".
By suggesting that there's nothing part-time about it: no lesser compulsion and not inability.

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You only asked me if I thought that they existed or not
No, I asked you if they did exist since the premise of your question was itself highly questionable.



Fine. Regardless, might we expect to see them in game and on the forums? Or do you feel that something is precluding such people from being here in EVE among us?

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#584 - 2014-02-27 23:11:39 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do you think that they do not?
I'm asking you: do they?


Nope.



I guess your google skills cannot compare to actual reading and educating yourself on something, hmm? Oh well, there is always next time. Big smile


Says a person trying to get other people to speculate on the activities of a group of people while trying to make a distinction between sadists and "part time" sadists. Roll

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#585 - 2014-02-27 23:13:08 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Fine. Regardless, might we expect to see them in game and on the forums? Or do you feel that something is precluding such people from being here in EVE among us?

Repeating the question will not alter the answer.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#586 - 2014-02-27 23:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Fine. Regardless, might we expect to see them in game and on the forums? Or do you feel that something is precluding such people from being here in EVE among us?

Repeating the question will not alter the answer.


Which was? Did I miss something again in your epic pyramid quoting? By my count you have commented on hardcore sadists, not the type of everyday ones my link is referring to.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#587 - 2014-02-27 23:18:13 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I mean, especially with my "lifestyle" and not really shocked and offended by anything

Why then did you report it, if it did not shock or offend you?


Just because someone like me (or, from his description, Krixtal) is nearly impossible to shock or offend at this point doesn't mean that we're incapable of judging abusive, EULA-breaking behavior, nor does it mean that we're exempt from the responsibility of reporting it before the person spewing the venom reaches someone who would be shocked or offended.

One of the things you learn very quickly in online games, if you're receptive to learning, is that some of the people who identify as virtual "good guys" are merely insecure and self-righteous, and some of the people who identify as virtual "bad guys" are self-aware enough to acknowledge and embrace their flaws, or who bear a great deal of responsibility in real life and so enjoy a complete freedom from responsibility in game.

Yes, of course there will be sadists and psychopaths mixed in here and there, but they're not common enough to be representative of anything. They won't pay much attention to the game itself anyway, since their focus will always be on other players.

As for me personally, I disdain the whole "good guy"/"bad guy" construction as cartoonish and restrictive, and as a roleplayer I am deeply suspicious of the idea that anyone whose character does something villainous is villainous--at least, beyond the extent that anyone is. M. Scott Peck observed that everyone has a part of them that should be in jail, after all. But that doesn't make everyone a monster.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#588 - 2014-02-27 23:18:24 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do you think that they do not?
I'm asking you: do they?


Nope.



I guess your google skills cannot compare to actual reading and educating yourself on something, hmm? Oh well, there is always next time. Big smile


Says a person trying to get other people to speculate on the activities of a group of people while trying to make a distinction between sadists and "part time" sadists. Roll



Perhaps if you had read the link that made you look stupid in full, you would better understand the difference. Big smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#589 - 2014-02-27 23:19:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Which was? Did I miss something again in your epic pyramid quoting?
No. You missed something in a simple quote, which is pretty spectacular since you made a pyramid out of it when you answered.

Look, just skip your pointless tip-toeing and get to the point. Roll
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#590 - 2014-02-27 23:21:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Which was? Did I miss something again in your epic pyramid quoting?
No. You missed something in a simple quote, which is pretty spectacular since you made a pyramid out of it when you answered.


Refresh me then.



Eternum is in your thread, re-derailing the thread that you were trying to derail. Twisted

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#591 - 2014-02-27 23:22:13 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Refresh me then.
No.
Get to the point.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#592 - 2014-02-27 23:28:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Perhaps if you had read the link that made you look stupid in full, you would better understand the difference. Big smile


Wow they must really make them dumb where you come from. Of course, I'm just speculating.

1. The link you supplied was after my Google search for your term "part time" sadists. Further, it is not indicative or relevant to the discussion but just a citation you pulled from the ether to troll Tippia - good luck with that by the way.
2. You should continue to speculate on stuff - that is, after all, a true measure of one's intellect.
3. You should also try to make distinctions in the varying degrees of psychological disorders. Since you've already told us that you're not employed, I feel it safe to speculate that you lack any formal academic credentials to speak intelligently about anything.

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Ai Shun
#593 - 2014-02-27 23:29:08 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Not until I get my cozies!!


Mags, can you please give her back her cozies? I'll trade you a shiny new Badger for it or maybe a shiny Drake or Gnosis stuck in null sec?
Salvos Rhoska
#594 - 2014-02-27 23:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Just because someone like me (or, from his description, Krixtal) is nearly impossible to shock or offend at this point doesn't mean that we're incapable of judging abusive, EULA-breaking behavior,

You are infact not capable of JUDGING " abusive, EULA-breaking behavior,"
Why? Because you are not CCP staff. Do you understand what I am very specifically and literally pointing out here?
Semantic difference? Yes, perhaps. But significant.

If you are not shocked or offended by something, then what is said, in and of itself, obviously is of no concern to you.
Which leads to the second part:

Dersen Lowery wrote:
nor does it mean that we're exempt from the responsibility of reporting it before the person spewing the venom reaches someone who would be shocked or offended.

A) There is no such responsibility.
B) It is not certain that person would ever conduct themselves that way again, towards anyone else. Just you, that once.
C) Probably the next person is equally unoffended and unshocked as you where. Making the above null anyways.
D) Basically very very few people are actually shocked or offended. Its all just pretence in order to get CCP to slap the bad player for you, for extra lols.

TLDR: I don't buy it. People do it because they want to get back at the person.

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Ai Shun
#595 - 2014-02-27 23:33:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
IP banning, in your own admission, thousands of real players isn't changing the game? Spin faster.


IP banning is ... seriously? Was that suggested with a straight face or was the person having you on? I'm guessing they haven't heard of DNS or NAT yet and are not even vaguely concerned about how stupid that idea is.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#596 - 2014-02-27 23:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Refresh me then.
No.
Get to the point.



And now we have Tippa refusing to answer because he/she does not want to go on the interwebs record that common people with sadist-like tendencies can be playing eve. To do so would give a great deal of fodder to those who have held an opposing stance throughout this entire thread.

However where he thinks I am going with it is not really where I am going. But he has helped prove an equally as important of a point all on his own without me having to conclude anything.






On that note I will follow suit and alter my train of thought some...


The article I linked goes as far as to describes tendencies that we see here on the forums and in game all of the time. Not just in EVE mind you but the Internet in general. I didn't say those things either, I did not make them up, a professor of psychology performing a study made those statements.

To suggest that EVE is somehow immune to such things verses the rest of the Internet can only be a self-serving fallacy. It is after all an Internet game.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#597 - 2014-02-27 23:37:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
And now we have Tippa refusing to
…pointlessly repeat myself. So: get to the point.

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However where he thinks I am going with it is not really where I am going.
Where do I think you're going and where are you going?

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The article I linked goes as far as to describes tendencies that we see here on the forums and in game all of the time. Not just in EVE mind you but the Internet in general. I didn't say those things either, I did not make them up, a professor of psychology performing a study made those statements.
…and that is?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#598 - 2014-02-27 23:37:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Refresh me then.
No.
Get to the point.



And now we have Tippa refusing to answer because he/she does not want to go on the interwebs record that common people with sadist-like tendencies can be playing eve. To do so would give a great deal of fodder to those who have held an opposing stance throughout this entire thread.

However where he thinks I am going with it is not really where I am going. But he has helped prove an equally as important of a point all on his own without me having to conclude anything.






On that note I will follow suit and alter my train of thought some...


The article I linked goes as far as to describes tendencies that we see here on the forums and in game all of the time. Not just in EVE mind you but the Internet in general. I didn't say those things either, I did not make them up, a professor of psychology performing a study made those statements.

To suggest that EVE is somehow immune to such things verses the rest of the Internet can only be a self-serving fallacy.


Well what have we learned today? Eternum Praetorian can read. Congratulations!

Sadists spend time on the internet. Who knew?

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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#599 - 2014-02-27 23:39:59 UTC
Huzzah! I think this thread is almost over! Any guesses on how many pages will be left when it's cleaned? Big smile
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#600 - 2014-02-27 23:40:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The article I linked goes as far as to describes tendencies that we see here on the forums and in game all of the time. Not just in EVE mind you but the Internet in general. I didn't say those things either, I did not make them up, a professor of psychology performing a study made those statements.


…and that is?


I'm sorry... what?

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