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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Marsha Mallow
#561 - 2014-02-27 22:28:19 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
We are talking about playing eve. Is it yes for a sadist playing EVE? I mean, I have known at least a couple of self proclaimed sadists on vent in eve so I know that they are there.

What about those who sign up to a hardcore PVP game then demand to be left all alone in peace so that they can make enough ISK to sit in a titan (because this is the only point they will have a level playing field), which they will only use for honourable consensual space combat against... smaller ships. Or maybe they are planning on mining in it, who knows. Masochists? Delusional? Don't forget hilarious tantruming and name calling when someone has the cheek to shoot at their ship. Juvenile? Lacking in humour? Willfully obtuse? Poor losers? Screechy?? Please diagnose.

You do know pirates and gankers can also be cuddly little industrialists, helpful to rookies and genuinely nice people. Right?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#562 - 2014-02-27 22:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
No we are not, it is a simple question.
Yes we are, because the only way I'd even begin to guess at where they'd congregate would be by speaking in negatives: “not missions”, “not beltratting”, “possibly not mining” (although based on some of the things I've seen miners say, I have to wonder…).

That leaves the category “everything else” which isn't enough to say anything worth-while. The aforementioned forum trolling being a possible exception, if the survey is to be believed.

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Or do you feel that their tenancies/desires/whatever would not compel them in this digital environment?
I feel that if their desires and compulsions were strong enough to make a significant impact, they'd go for something more concrete than an MMO. But really, you'd have to find a bunch and ask them.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#563 - 2014-02-27 22:29:17 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Eternum Praetorian/Mandarine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
We are talking about playing eve. Is it yes for a Sadist playing EVE?

Then we're back to meaninglessly broad categorisations.



No we are not, it is a simple question. Do you feel that a sadist playing eve would be drawn to certain types of activities in EVE over others? Or do you feel that their tenancies/desires/whatever would not compel them in this digital environment?



You asking someone to make an unsubstantiated speculation about what a sadist who played Eve would do with their time?

Some of us don't fill threads with unsubstantiated speculation.


Potential Tippa alt #1, i am asking someone who has a long history of having an opinion on everything under the sun what their opinion is regarding this question. I have one and Tippa has one. I am asking him for his opinion.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#564 - 2014-02-27 22:31:55 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Eternum Praetorian/Mandarine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
We are talking about playing eve. Is it yes for a Sadist playing EVE?

Then we're back to meaninglessly broad categorisations.



No we are not, it is a simple question. Do you feel that a sadist playing eve would be drawn to certain types of activities in EVE over others? Or do you feel that their tenancies/desires/whatever would not compel them in this digital environment?



You asking someone to make an unsubstantiated speculation about what a sadist who played Eve would do with their time?

Some of us don't fill threads with unsubstantiated speculation.


Potential Tippa alt #1, i am asking someone who has a long history of having an opinion on everything under the sun what their opinion is regarding this question. I have one and Tippa has one. I am asking him for his opinion.


If you want to have a conversation with Tippia take it to EveMail. If you post your inane crap in a public forum you should expect others to respond.

Or, as a result of your entitled lifestyle, are you insistent that we all play "Forums" your way?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#565 - 2014-02-27 22:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Tippia wrote:

I feel that if their desires and compulsions were strong enough to make a significant impact, they'd go for something more concrete than an MMO. But really, you'd have to find a bunch and ask them.


So allow me to paraphrase your skillful dodging of the question. You seem to hold the opinion that if a sadist had a strong enough of a compulsion defining them as a sadist they would forgo eve all together. Thus they will have little to no interest in EVE?


Thus we should not expect to see them in game?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#566 - 2014-02-27 22:39:56 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So allow me to paraphrase your skillful dodging of the question. You seem to hold the opinion that if a sadist had a strong enough of a compulsion defining them as a sadist they would forgo eve all together. Thus they will have little to no interest in EVE?

Thus we should not expect to see them in game?

Not to any degree where they'd be noticeable, no.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#567 - 2014-02-27 22:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Tippia wrote:

I feel that if their desires and compulsions were strong enough to make a significant impact, they'd go for something more concrete than an MMO. But really, you'd have to find a bunch and ask them.


So allow me to paraphrase your skillful dodging of the question. You seem to hold the opinion that if a sadist had a strong enough of a compulsion defining them as a sadist they would forgo eve all together. Thus they will have little to no interest in EVE?


Thus we should not expect to see them in game?


More speculation!

You might check with CCP if they have login stats for all the diagnosed sadists. They have lots of info like this though I don't know seriously if it gets that specific.

Hey Mandarine/Eternum, how many American Labor Union Workers do you expect to play Eve?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#568 - 2014-02-27 22:43:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So allow me to paraphrase your skillful dodging of the question. You seem to hold the opinion that if a sadist had a strong enough of a compulsion defining them as a sadist they would forgo eve all together. Thus they will have little to no interest in EVE?

Thus we should not expect to see them in game?

Not to any degree where they'd be noticeable, no.



What about "part-time" sadists? People that have a lesser compulsion or inability to enact their desires in their real life? Is it possible they might play eve? In your opinion that is.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#569 - 2014-02-27 22:46:03 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
What about "part-time" sadists?
Do they even exist?
Salvos Rhoska
#570 - 2014-02-27 22:46:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I mean, especially with my "lifestyle" and not really shocked and offended by anything

Why then did you report it, if it did not shock or offend you?

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Marsha Mallow
#571 - 2014-02-27 22:46:34 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
What about "part-time" sadists? People that have a lesser compulsion or inability to enact their desires in their real life? Is it possible they might play eve? In your opinion that is.

What about part time cross-dressers? There are probably men who play Eve whilst dressed as women based upon my observance of their extremely slutty looking female avatars and some of the remarks they make on comms. Not sure it draws them to any particular gamestyle though, they seem to be everywhere. You're just as likely to find a sadist 1isking their orders in Jita thousands of times a day or mining as anywhere else. Maybe they mine those roids sadistically.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#572 - 2014-02-27 22:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So allow me to paraphrase your skillful dodging of the question. You seem to hold the opinion that if a sadist had a strong enough of a compulsion defining them as a sadist they would forgo eve all together. Thus they will have little to no interest in EVE?

Thus we should not expect to see them in game?

Not to any degree where they'd be noticeable, no.



What about "part-time" sadists? People that have a lesser compulsion or inability to enact their desires in their real life? Is it possible they might play eve? In your opinion that is.


What a great concept for a University study. Rather than speculate we can ask a bunch of "part time" sadists if they might play Eve.

Why has this not been done before?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#573 - 2014-02-27 22:48:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
What about "part-time" sadists?
Do they even exist?


Do you think that they do not?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#574 - 2014-02-27 22:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do you think that they do not?
I'm asking you: do they?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#575 - 2014-02-27 22:52:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do you think that they do not?
I'm asking you: do they?


Nope.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#576 - 2014-02-27 22:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
I was asking you for your opinion, but here is one example that suggests that they do: Link


Quote:
Most of the time, we try to avoid inflicting pain on others — when we do hurt someone, we typically experience guilt, remorse, or other feelings of distress. But for some, cruelty can be pleasurable, even exciting. New research suggests that this kind of everyday sadism is real and more common than we might think


Quote:
“Some find it hard to reconcile sadism with the concept of ‘normal’ psychological functioning, but our findings show that sadistic tendencies among otherwise well-adjusted people must be acknowledged,” says psychological scientist Erin Buckels of the University of British Columbia.


Quote:
The researchers hope that these new findings will help to broaden people’s view of sadism as an aspect of personality that manifests in everyday life, helping to dispel the notion that sadism is limited to sexual deviants and criminals.


And a little too Ironically....

Quote:
Buckels and colleagues are continuing to investigate everyday sadism, including its role in online trolling behavior.

“Trolling culture is unique in that it explicitly celebrates sadistic pleasure, or ‘lulz,’” says Buckels. “It is, perhaps, not surprising then that sadists gravitate toward those activities.”

And they’re also exploring vicarious forms of sadism, such as enjoying cruelty in movies, video games, and sports.



So yea... I think they do exist. Now do you? Cool

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#577 - 2014-02-27 22:56:27 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do you think that they do not?
I'm asking you: do they?


Nope.



I guess your google skills cannot compare to actual reading and educating yourself on something, hmm? Oh well, there is always next time. Big smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#578 - 2014-02-27 22:58:35 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I was asking you for your opinion, but here is one example that suggests that they do:
That suggests that there is no part-time about it, and what they do online has already been covered.
Salvos Rhoska
#579 - 2014-02-27 22:59:27 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Do you think that they do not?

Yes. I think you annoy me enough, and I find your existence offensive enough, that I might enjoy tormenting you sadistically, in part-time.

Is your question answered?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#580 - 2014-02-27 23:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I was asking you for your opinion, but here is one example that suggests that they do:
That suggests that there is no part-time about it, and what they do online has already been covered.


How does an article suggesting that sadism is far more commonplace than most people think, evidence against the idea of "part-time sadists". A phrase I used to describe sadists with less powerful drives?


You told me that you felt that sadists with strong drives would forgo eve all together. You did not speak to the potential online habits of people who have lesser sadist-type drives. Or whether or not such tenancies might, in your opinion, play a role in their career paths in EVE Online.


You only asked me if I thought that they existed or not, in a rather transparent attempt to deflect my question.

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