EVE General Discussion

Well, when the gankers´ express purpose is to harvest hate mail, and they setup their ganks and follow-up chat to optimize this harvesting, I´d say they get what they want. I´d also say this is not pursuit of an ingame narrative, and has no place in a video game.

Maybe you´re part of a minority that enjoys being prey and evading, but I´m quite certain the majority of gamers would rather have an environment in which exciting battles (not escapes), fitting an ingame narrative, are common. For now, this happens sometimes in 0.0, but requires being a drone. Lowsec is gank everywhere plus hotdrops, and highsec is grief and scam.


I find it disturbing that for most of you posters in this thread, EvE´s appeal is its RL-based unbridled online sociopathy. I don´t see a RPer defending gankers/griefers, for example. Why is that so?

Some magic circle positioning stuff again?

…and how often does that happen?

What makes you so certain about that?

First of all, what makes you think that the appeal has anything to do with “sociopathy” or griefers?

With a population as massive as EVE's, it would be downright strange if there weren't.

Considering Dinsdale is named after a Monty Python character who was told what to do by a giant hedgehog named Spiny Norman...

And he is renown on the forums for his paranoia about the Goons... I can't help but giggle whenever I've seen a post by him. (Also, happens to be one of my favorite Monty Python skits...)


Edit: Although I did see a really interesting idea of Dinsdale's somewhere on the forum about unscannable Nebula areas... It was interesting enough I didn't giggle, and was rather well thought out.

Is there some reason for consistently misspelling the players name?

It read it, it was merely discarded as obfuscation.

Functional (although I have long believed that the better word is practical) illiteracy?

Guys please stop.

This is how all that goo got under Manhattan in Ghostbusters II.

Let's all stop and sing a happy song to make the goo go away.

Manhattan is 6,500km away. I'm game for some goo.

I think my Cruise Missiles can go that far...

The vast majority of the time, there is no hate mail. Most people either drop a 'gf' in Local and leave, or just leave silently. "Tears" is a way of distancing oneself from the violent and dehumanizing invective that a small minority of people hurl when they are both enraged and feeling helpless. It's not hard to find posts in various places where the same people are gobsmacked and delighted when the person they kill "gets it," and engages with them positively--and yes, "you got me this time, but fly with your eyes open, because I'm coming for you" is positive in a PVP game.

There are more than a few people who gank as a way of earning income from loot drops. Lots of freighters get ganked because nullsec alliances use out-of-alliance logistics in high sec, and so there are lots of proxy wars between plausibly deniable alts to disrupt what are believed to be enemy logistics.



The vast majority of MMO subscriptions are indeed for World of Warcraft, although I doubt that their PVP servers worry much about "fitting an in-game narrative." In fact, they're much harsher on low-skilled players than EVE is.

Why does every game have to cater to the majority?



And yet people go there, and people do industry there, and people explore there. Some of the coolest, funniest guys I've run into in EVE were lowsec dwellers... and yes, sometimes I've run into them while frantically warping my pod away after losing yet another ship--but that's not because they're terrible people, it's because I'm terrible at PVP. But it's fun for me to throw a cruiser together knowing full well that it won't survive an hour (the last one made it, I think, about 10 minutes), fleet up with a friend or three, and Leroy in just to see what happens.



Nobody is defending griefers. Griefing is against the EULA, and on the occasions when it actually happens, it points to someone who is due for a nice long vacation from the game.

I've been roleplaying pretty consistently in multiple settings since 1980, if that matters to you at all. The lore surrounding capsuleers matches observed behavior pretty well, I'd say.