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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#501 - 2014-02-27 20:53:12 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
Gevlon seems to have a high opinion of himself, yes, but is he a bad player?
Yes.
He has been moderately successful making money in EVE (and other MMOs) through the most slow and cumbersome method available, using sheer persistence and grinding. Had he been actually good at it, he would have been properly wealthy (or would have had to spend a whole lot less time getting to where he is).

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That would require a plethora of GMs tho, to process the inevitable griefing complaints, But with IP permaban, you´d quickly see a stable environment, the griefing/ganking type is not as numerous as they would have people believe.
This is already how the game is being handled, which is why the griefing type is not nearly as numerous as the whiners would have people believe.

Divine Entervention wrote:
You state that I am not allowed to use an absolute in my argument because people who hurt others in games aren't necessarily mass murders. Though I'm not using an absolute, my argument is based on the uncertainty principle and observed evidence.
Both of which are stuff you've made up and which have no real basis in reality; both of which are just expressions of the same prejudices.

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Then you say that people who get their ships blown up by people are not better off than the other guy. You state an absolute.
No, he states a negation of an absolute. You just choose to interpret it as an absolute because it seems to be the the standard way for you to operate: using only arbitrary binary opposites and false dichotomies.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#502 - 2014-02-27 20:55:40 UTC
So Tippa, do you think that there are people fitting the criteria of sociopaths on the Internet or not?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#503 - 2014-02-27 20:56:44 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So Tippa, do you think that there are people fitting the criteria of sociopaths on the Internet or not?


INB4Tippia : Sociopaths don't exist anywhere.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#504 - 2014-02-27 21:01:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So Tippa, do you think that there are people fitting the criteria of sociopaths on the Internet or not?

INB4Tippia : Sociopaths don't exist anywhere.

Damn you! Lol
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#505 - 2014-02-27 21:01:59 UTC
Honestly I can't believe how big this thread grew while I was at work lol Don't you people have jobs? Big smile

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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#506 - 2014-02-27 21:03:14 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

You state that I am not allowed to use an absolute in my argument because people who hurt others in games aren't necessarily mass murders. Though I'm not using an absolute, my argument is based on the uncertainty principle and observed evidence.



Your observed evidence would require observation of the actual physical subject. You have only observed the subjects in game, not out of it.

You have no more evidence to support your theory than I have evidence to support the following theories:

Divine Entervention is actually the God Quetzalcoatl & demands human sacrifice.
Tippia is the spawn of the God of Cynicism & Patience
Dinsdale is actually the Mittani.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#507 - 2014-02-27 21:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mandarine wrote:


Gevlon seems to have a high opinion of himself, yes, but is he a bad player? when people gang up on someone successful and say he´s a zero, it´s usually because of jealousy.
Or because he's genuinely irrelevant or terrible at Eve. He measures success in ISK, most of us measure it in fun.

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No need for CONCORD nor gate guns in a game in which players are, well, gamers who seek ingame narratives, rather than Schadenfreude.
That would require a plethora of GMs tho, to process the inevitable griefing complaints, But with IP permaban, you´d quickly see a stable environment, the griefing/ganking type is not as numerous as they would have people believe.

Toxic people only drive their own RL narrative, which drives the ingame one indirectly. There is no need for them, standard fun-loving gamers are totally capable of huge battles and backstabbing, only, without being jerks about it.
The only jerks are the ones that give out vitriol and hatred when they die. Wishing death and disease upon another player and their family because of some imaginary space pixels definitely falls into the category of being a jerk.

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If you think the ganker type is what makes EvE enjoyable, you definitely fall into the masochist category (which is the mirror of the sadist one, in the unconscious business plan).
Gankers are what turns Eve into Eve, one of the main reasons I play is to not get ganked, by outwitting or outplaying the gankers. Without the possibility of being ganked at any time my carebear playing style would be boring, and I wouldn't have played Eve for as long as I have.

Victoria Thorne wrote:
Dinsdale is actually the Mittani.
LOL, this is actually plausible given Mittens love of the metagame. You heard it here folks, Dinsdale is Mittens troll alt.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#508 - 2014-02-27 21:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Divine Entervention wrote:
You state that I am not allowed to use an absolute in my argument because people who hurt others in games aren't necessarily mass murders. Though I'm not using an absolute, my argument is based on the uncertainty principle and observed evidence.

Then you say that people who get their ships blown up by people are not better off than the other guy. You state an absolute. The person who lose his ship is not better. That is not true, you cannot possibly know that. You can come to a believed conclusion based on your observed evidence, but it's not necessarily true.


You're very fond of absolutes.

What I am actually trying to tell you is that you're making the very deliberate and empirically self-serving decision to judge people in their entirety based on an incredibly narrow criterion in a very specific context, as if tuning in to a boxing match and seeing a white guy land a blow on a black guy was enough to conclude that you'd just witnessed a hate crime, and the white guy must be a supremacist. In contrast, I tune into a boxing match and I see two guys boxing, and one of them just landed a punch. I assume that they're basically ordinary people, because that's not only a safe but a good-spirited assumption to make.

You say you can do what I do, but then you go and do something much bolder than anything I would ever do: you draw existential conclusions about other people based on flimsy evidence. What I do is assume that the other guy is basically like me, and if he just got one up on me, gratz to him for playing the game well--I hardly know him, so any other conclusion comes down to the assumptions I make about other people in the absence of a compelling body of evidence. It would take a great deal more evidence than one ship kill (in a PVP game!) to convince me that somebody wasn't quite right.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying this as a ganker, or even a successful PVPer: between my various characters, there's enough red on my killboard to paint three towns. If I wanted to be mad about this, I would certainly have cause, but I play the game to have fun. EVE is a lot more fun, and you meet a lot more cool people, if you're a good sport.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#509 - 2014-02-27 21:05:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Honestly I can't believe how big this thread grew while I was at work lol Don't you people have jobs? Big smile
Yes and posting from work can be a pain, so I try not to divulge in it. But I do like a good laugh and often find myself wanting to add text of my own. Lol

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Tesco Ergo Sum
#510 - 2014-02-27 21:06:20 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Honestly I can't believe how big this thread grew while I was at work lol Don't you people have jobs? Big smile


This is their job Twisted

40 pages guys, come on you can do it!

In before the next ISD cleanup...
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#511 - 2014-02-27 21:06:53 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Honestly I can't believe how big this thread grew while I was at work lol Don't you people have jobs? Big smile


On vacation at the moment, so I actually have a bit of time to spare. (I don't normally post.)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#512 - 2014-02-27 21:07:40 UTC
Victoria Thorne wrote:
You have no more evidence to support your theory than I have evidence to support the following theories:

Divine Entervention is actually the God Quetzalcoatl & demands human sacrifice.
Tippia is the spawn of the God of Cynicism & Patience
Dinsdale is actually the Mittani.

Tbh, I think you have more evidence for your hypotheses than he does for his… P
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#513 - 2014-02-27 21:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So Tippa, do you think that there are people fitting the criteria of sociopaths on the Internet or not?


I'll just quote this again here so Tippa can't dodge it.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#514 - 2014-02-27 21:12:56 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So Tippa, do you think that there are people fitting the criteria of sociopaths on the Internet or not?

I'll just quote this again here so Tippa can't dodge it.

So you didn't spot that it was already answered?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#515 - 2014-02-27 21:13:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I'll just quote this again here so Tippa can't dodge it.

So you didn't spot that it was already answered?
Wondered that myself tbh. What?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#516 - 2014-02-27 21:15:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So Tippa, do you think that there are people fitting the criteria of sociopaths on the Internet or not?

I'll just quote this again here so Tippa can't dodge it.

So you didn't spot that it was already answered?


Debating with you necessitates as much clarity as possible in order to better prevent your weaseling out of tight spaces. Am I to presume that you believe that there is no such type of person?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#517 - 2014-02-27 21:18:36 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I'll just quote this again here so Tippa can't dodge it.

So you didn't spot that it was already answered?
Wondered that myself tbh. What?


One of my first jobs was a test proctor. That's the guy who administers the test and watches you to make sure you don't cheat. It's fairly lucrative considering just how many people take the SATS, ACTS, and GED every year, and you have to have a license to give that test.

The reason I mention this is that while working in that job, I discovered that the assumption of functional literacy is quite often wrong. Yes, I am sure he can read. I am not sure he actually knows how.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#518 - 2014-02-27 21:20:12 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Debating with you necessitates as much clarity as possible in order to better prevent your weaseling out of tight spaces. Am I to presume that you believe that there is no such type of person?

*sigh* Roll

Sociopathy in the sense that it is being (mis)used around here does indeed not exist. What people mean is actually ASPD. Actual sociopathy is a largely outdated term that, at most, describes a specific expression of or cause for psychopathy (but there is no general agreement between the two and so it's not particularly accurate to ascrime any kind of “true” meaning to the term).
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#519 - 2014-02-27 21:20:25 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Victoria Thorne wrote:
Dinsdale is actually the Mittani.
LOL, this is actually plausible given Mittens love of the metagame. You heard it here folks, Dinsdale is Mittens troll alt.


Actually, I haven't heard that here first, because other people have considered the possibility as well. It would be a truly epic troll.

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I voted in CSM X!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#520 - 2014-02-27 21:20:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald, your post is remarkably ironic considering that you have not read the post directly above your own. Big smile

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