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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#461 - 2014-02-27 19:49:34 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
What would upset me if you lied to me and then stole from me, is the fact that you're a person who chooses to lie and steal.
…but that's just it: he's not. That's just some baseless assumption you're making. He's just a person who chooses to play a game, same as you.

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i would be like, Man that jonah gravenstein guy is the type of person who gets his enjoyment trying to upset others. That guy's got problems if he doesn't take into consideration the potential impact he could have on others feelings.
So you'd be a bigot. And you feel this is a morally superior position to be in? Wow… Shocked
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#462 - 2014-02-27 19:50:21 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Don't be mad at the person, he is just playing the character, be mad at the character. Smile


The person controls the character
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#463 - 2014-02-27 19:52:48 UTC
when someone blows me up in eve, i do not feel personal misery.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#464 - 2014-02-27 19:53:09 UTC
Batelle wrote:
when someone blows me up in eve, i do not feel personal misery.


me either
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#465 - 2014-02-27 19:54:28 UTC
Correct, doesn't take away the fact that he is playing a character. You are making assumptions about someones personality, someone who lies in real life might be feeling so guilty he plays the good character in EVE Blink, maybe that guy who scammed you saves your future girlfriend next week, I mean who knows stop making such silly judgements thinking that is a bad person for his in-game actions.

I disagree
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#466 - 2014-02-27 19:56:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mandarine wrote:
Who talks about superiority?
A lot of the people who keep trying to infer something about people's real-life morals from their in-game behaviour and who are nonsensically and baselessly trying to paint themselves as some kind of “good guys” as opposed the prejudiced view of the others as “bad guys”.

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Money. Ganking requires alts, defending against, also.
No, it doesn't.

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The commercial choices of CCP have no impact on the fact that many gankers and scammers plainly say that they enjoy the emotional distress they cause, more than any ingame asset or narrative. The links proving this have been posted time and time again in this thread
…and have consistently failed to show that “many” gankers and scammers say anything of the kind or that they are in any way representative or that they in any way differ from the general population of the game.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#467 - 2014-02-27 19:57:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


You're offering an opinion about something you can't prove based on how you think you'd do things is you were in those shoes (ie you think it's easier to make a sandbox game than it is to keep creating content for a themepark, an assertion you have no proof of). "Common Sense" doesn't apply to complex things like business models, because there are so many factors that interact in strange ways.

Rational thinking demands that you question your own motives before subscribing to an opinion. You didn't do that here in any way, shape or form. When an opinion fits too closely into you personal biases, it's time to rethink.


I infer from the fact that one of the very first MMOs created, as a sandbox, had to be sharded, because of griefers, between full PvP and limitations, and that the majority of subsequent MMOs put hard limitations on PvP, that griefers are a problem for the MMOs communities, sandbox or not, moreover.

EvE gets away with it because it´s non-twitch based, its gameplay can accommodate several simultaneous accounts which provide crucial information, while requiring little or zero input.

Griefers are actually a boon, since they use multiple accounts, generating profit, and the potential gankees also do, to defend against said ganks.

What makes sense from a business plan, makes none from a gaming point of view. If you can´t understand that people who revel in the emotional harm they cause, and plan to cause, in a video game, have no place in online gaming, well...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#468 - 2014-02-27 19:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Divine Entervention wrote:
Well I dunno, no one griefs me. some people might get mad at the loss of pixels. I wouldn't.
You just get mad at everything else?

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What would upset me if you lied to me and then stole from me, is the fact that you're a person who chooses to lie and steal.
IN A GAME. If I lied and stole from you in real life then you would have a point, I wouldn't so you don't. I have a healthy disconnection between ingame and real life persona. That said I'm unlikely to steal from you in Eve either, it's not how I roll, blowing you up is another matter entirely, if you're in space, you're a target, nothing more, nothing less.

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i would be like, Man that jonah gravenstein guy is the type of person who gets his enjoyment trying to upset others. That guy's got problems if he doesn't take into consideration the potential impact he could have on others feelings. I'll make sure I not trust him and I'll warn others not to trust him either.
If you kept it in game that would be fine, however you insist on judging people in real life by their actions in a virtual world. You fail to see that an ingame persona is disconnected from a real life persona.

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Mad over pixels? hahahaha no, you! maybe. not me though.
You're certainly mad about something, your constant judgements of people over their ingame actions tell us this.

As for being mad over the loss of pixels? I've been mad about it once, for about 10 seconds before I realised that they were pixels, and thus not worth being mad about. What I didn't do was judge the person who relieved me of them as a bad person in real life, they were playing a game, just as I was.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#469 - 2014-02-27 19:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mandarine wrote:
Griefers are actually a boon, since they use multiple accounts, generating profit, and the potential gankees also do, to defend against said ganks.
Again, you know that griefing isn't allowed in EVE, right? And that neither gankers nor gank targets have any special need of multiple accounts?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#470 - 2014-02-27 20:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

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What would upset me if you lied to me and then stole from me, is the fact that you're a person who chooses to lie and steal.
IN A GAME. If I lied and stole from you in real life then you would have a point, I wouldn't so you don't. I have a healthy disconnection between ingame and real life persona.


SKINE DMZ wrote:
Correct, doesn't take away the fact that he is playing a character. You are making assumptions about someones personality, someone who lies in real life might be feeling so guilty he plays the good character in EVE Blink, maybe that guy who scammed you saves your future girlfriend next week, I mean who knows stop making such silly judgements thinking that is a bad person for his in-game actions.


I'm stating that because the person has chosen to lie and steal from me within in the confines of the game, that knowledge coupled with the uncertainty principle surrounding whether or not he's a psychopath, being that so far the only evidence he's demonstrated to me is that he is, because he's chosen to portray one. Where does the game end with him? Does it end? Does he keep it within the realm of the game, or will he take it out of it as well? I cannot know, and the only evidence he's demonstrated so far is he's definitely willing to act on the part of a psychopath.

It's not necessarily a defacto, you blow up ship, you stab dogs. It's more of a, we'll you've proven you're capable of doing actions I disapprove of and I cannot possibly know if it ends at your computer.

Also, while you're sitting at your computer imagining you're a space pirate, your body and mind are still sitting in your computer chair, in reality. in real life.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#471 - 2014-02-27 20:01:40 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

I'm stating that because the person has chosen to lie and steal to me within in the confines of the game, that knowledge coupled with the uncertainty principle surrounding whether or not he's a psychopath, so far the only evidence he's demonstrated to me is that he is, because he's chosen to portray one.


If you go around wondering if everyone you meet or know might be a psychopath, then you're a looney.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#472 - 2014-02-27 20:05:00 UTC
Eve is not about the choices other people make - stop deflecting.

Eve is about the choices you make.

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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2014-02-27 20:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
For those wondering about why I´m stating that griefing is good for the business plan

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.fi/2013/08/catalyst-ganking-guide.html

"To loot regularly, you need a looter pilot, who should not be on the same account as your scout. She can share the account with the ganker, third account is better. She can fly a looting cruiser. Warp to the scout, loot and warp out."
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#474 - 2014-02-27 20:05:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Batelle wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

I'm stating that because the person has chosen to lie and steal to me within in the confines of the game, that knowledge coupled with the uncertainty principle surrounding whether or not he's a psychopath, so far the only evidence he's demonstrated to me is that he is, because he's chosen to portray one.


If you go around wondering if everyone you meet or know might be a psychopath, then you're a looney.
Relevant

Mandarine wrote:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.fi/2013/08/catalyst-ganking-guide.html
"To loot regularly, you need a looter pilot, who should not be on the same account as your scout. She can share the account with the ganker, third account is better. She can fly a looting cruiser. Warp to the scout, loot and warp out."
Using Gevlon Goblin as a source? That's like using the Westboro Baptist Church as a source for discussion on the ethics of religion.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#475 - 2014-02-27 20:06:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

I'm stating that because the person has chosen to lie and steal to me within in the confines of the game, that knowledge coupled with the uncertainty principle surrounding whether or not he's a psychopath, so far the only evidence he's demonstrated to me is that he is, because he's chosen to portray one.


If you go around wondering if everyone you meet or know might be a psychopath, then you're a looney.


I do not do that.

I only consider it if I observe the person acting in the manner that defines one. Such as, making the choice to deceive/exploit/extort/steal from someone for their own personal gain at that persons expense.
Or choosing to act in a manner with no regard for the potential impact of his actions on others.

Only then do I start questioning if one might be a psychopath. And when they act like one in game, it gives me reason to believe they may also be one IRL.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#476 - 2014-02-27 20:07:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm stating that because the person has chosen to lie and steal from me within in the confines of the game, that knowledge coupled with the uncertainty principle surrounding whether or not he's a psychopath, being that so far the only evidence he's demonstrated to me is that he is, because he's chosen to portray one.
In other words, you're making a prejudiced judgment based on nothing but unfounded assumptions that rely on an inability to separate game from real life.

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I cannot know, and the only evidence he's demonstrated so far is he's definitely willing to act on the part of a psychopath.
…except that he hasn't demonstrated anything of the kind. He has only shown that he's willing to play a game, same as you. If you want to infer from that choice that he's more likely to be a psychopath, then [i]you[/ı] are more likely to be a psychopath since you've made the exact same choice.

A healthy approach would be to not assume that everyone around you (especially ones who act the same as yourself) are psychopaths. The fact that you seem incapable of this approach is worrisome.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#477 - 2014-02-27 20:10:01 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
For those wondering about why I´m stating that griefing is good for the business plan

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.fi/2013/08/catalyst-ganking-guide.html
You're going to reference the person who has demonstrated probably the least competence in or understanding of economics and ganking in EVE?! Allow me to Lol

Even if he did have a clue, notice that he's not talking about griefers.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#478 - 2014-02-27 20:15:48 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
For those wondering about why I´m stating that griefing is good for the business plan

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.fi/2013/08/catalyst-ganking-guide.html

"To loot regularly, you need a looter pilot, who should not be on the same account as your scout. She can share the account with the ganker, third account is better. She can fly a looting cruiser. Warp to the scout, loot and warp out."

that's a comedy blog

the blogger doesn't know it yet, though
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#479 - 2014-02-27 20:16:04 UTC
I think it's more a question of where do you think the game ends for you divine, not the guy who took your spaceship stuff in a game where he could say the point is to take your spaceship stuff Blink

I disagree
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2014-02-27 20:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Mandarine wrote:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.fi/2013/08/catalyst-ganking-guide.html
"To loot regularly, you need a looter pilot, who should not be on the same account as your scout. She can share the account with the ganker, third account is better. She can fly a looting cruiser. Warp to the scout, loot and warp out."
Using Gevlon Goblin as a source? That's like using the Westboro Baptist Church as a source for discussion on the ethics of religion.


Why do you say this? he seems quite knowledgeable and resourceful, while also very toxic.


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mandarine wrote:


I don´t think sandox games have to be watered-down, I think that the type of gamer who develops glee by witnessing his own self (i:e. not his character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which he has created by using a video game as a platform, has no place in an online game. Three strikes and he should be IP banned, so the sandbox can accommodate "regular" gamers who enjoy having fun with each other instead of at each other´s expense.


Guys, remember when I started talking about the Tyranny of the Thin Skinned? This is it in a nutshell.

You can go jump in a lake btw, Mandarine. If you want a game like that, gtfo out of EVE. EVE is my game, EVE is the game for people who actually give one ephemeral damn about player freedom, and player choice. EVE is a game where the choice *not* to defend yourself can and does have consequences.

Your nanny state, legislate-on-hurt-feelings crap belongs in a themepark MMO. Although hell, even in World of Warcrap, the GMs won't permaban someone who trips over your feelings.



You people think I want to change this game in a way that would suit me. Absolutely not. If I could change something however, I´d remove CONCORD and gate guns.

What I don´t want is toxic people in a gaming community, that is, people who log in with the express purpose of inflicting emotional harm on others, and who couldn´t care less about the ingame narratives.

Now, this is the kind of post I would report, were I a jerk looking to reap some cheap Schadenfreude. Why are you mad at me? Did I hit a nerve?