EVE General Discussion

Ok, that's it, thread's twitching less than the revamp POS thread.

Go home people, sort out your life, and decide if you actually want to log in again. If all you want to do is sit around proclaiming your personal superiority to others, then this is not the place for you. The game is not always happy, not always fun. You signed up knowing of the stories told of theft, sabotaging, awoxing, and grand plots, and now want the game to change because you find yourself disliking those same draws. There are MMO's with will allow you perfectly safe solo play. This is not one of them.

Frankly, this thread cannot be locked fast enough. What started out as a whiny rant and appeal for pity turned into a pit of abuse and trolling, got purged of 75% of the posts, then has rapidly skyrocketed back up to a posting frequency and shitslinging pace far beyond that of previous.


Help me ISD whoeverthefuckison, you're my only hope.

Do you know why the vast majority of MMOs are not sandboxes? Because MMO devs saw what happened with UO. This attracts the griefer type, and they´d rather hardcode limitations from the start rather than have to deal with balancing griefing.

So, quite bluntly, we now have crappy non-sandboxy MMOs because a minority of gamers enjoy being jerks online. Do you find it amusing? I don´t.

I don´t think sandox games have to be watered-down, I think that the type of gamer who develops glee by witnessing his own self (i:e. not his character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which he has created by using a video game as a platform, has no place in an online game. Three strikes and he should be IP banned, so the sandbox can accommodate "regular" gamers who enjoy having fun with each other instead of at each other´s expense.

And having fun with each other does not mean there´s no PvP, quite the contrary. But PvP that is seen as an ingame action and goal, rather as a means to make some dude mad.

Griefers can use legitimate gameplay to experience Schadenfreude, but what matters is what they are after: ingame fantasies, or the feeling of impure joy because their RL self has made somebody rage IRL?

PvP is awesome when players want to play pretend. Ganking is an abomination, as it falls outside the magic circle and is just online sadism.

Where did I say I want to be safe?

I've simply said that I'll make judgements based on my observations. If someone wishes to lie and steal from someone, then I'm going to label him as a bad person.

This part is telling, because it's what politicians do: Blame the group of people they don't like for a situation they couldn't possibly have been responsible for.

Show me ONE game maker who said they made their MMORPG a themepark type game because of UO (or any other) griefers.

Ok, that's it, thread's twitching less than the revamp POS thread.

Go home people, sort out your life, and decide if you actually want to log in again. If all you want to do is sit around proclaiming your personal superiority to others, then this is not the place for you. The game is not always happy, not always fun. You signed up knowing of the stories told of theft, sabotaging, awoxing, and grand plots, and now want the game to change because you find yourself disliking those same draws. There are MMO's with will allow you perfectly safe solo play. This is not one of them.

Frankly, this thread cannot be locked fast enough. What started out as a whiny rant and appeal for pity turned into a pit of abuse and trolling, got purged of 75% of the posts, then has rapidly skyrocketed back up to a posting frequency and shitslinging pace far beyond that of previous.


Help me ISD whoeverthefuckison, you're my only hope.

While I disagree with Krixtal on a number of things, I can safely say that he's overall a pretty nice guy, he accepts Eve for what it is, and plays despite that.

What do you think is easier: constantly create PvE and arena-based PvP content, or let the players create stories amongst themselves?

While you´d have to ask a MMO dev about that, because I don´t think any has ever reflected on this: it has just become common sense that themeparks with hardcoded PvP limitations are the way to go for mass appeal, but why has it?

Because UO set a unconscious standard, that you can´t have nice things in a sandbox: Trammelization due to gankers.

Watch what will happen with EvE when computing technology allows for a million concurrent users, or even half of that.

WTF are you even talking about ????

Again, alcohol is bad for you m'kay. You are confusing posters now.

Time for beddy-bye.

Once again, a reality disconnect.

If people get so upset about the loss of their imaginary space pixels, why are they playing a game that revolves around the loss of said imaginary space pixels?

My Eve persona is completely separate from my real life persona, as I would hope that any healthy individuals is. You can judge people by their ingame actions all you like, that doesn't make your judgement correct, it just makes you judgemental.