EVE General Discussion

Now truthfully, the disconnect comes because the 'victim' players don't understand that they are playing a competitive game. They think "i'm just minding my own business mining/missioning/hauling stuff".

While i don't partake, I LIKE that there exists people in the game that will "keep everyone honest". Last week I was running a mission in Barkrik (death to big assed solar systems like Barkrik with the new battleship warp speed changes btw) when a dude in a Cheetah came in. He putted around a bit trying to get me to agress but I had MJD'd off the warp in point and was ready for whatever else could happen. He left and i never had another problem out of him.

If i thought like these 'victims' i'd have run to the forums and demanded CCP stop people from being able to come into my mission. I didn't because while annoying and potentially dangerous, I'm playing a spaceship game, we need 'spice of life' activities like people trying to blow you up to make it worth playing.

The victims misunderstanding of the game they are choosing to play (yet still choosing to play it) is IMO at the root of everything here.. Griefers couldn't exist in an environment of ungreifable , responsible, sane, adult players.

not an argument

and wouldn't support the claim 'a ganker (for example) is an antisocial person irl' or the claim 'a ganker is more likely to be antisocial or display stong antisocial traits than the average' anyway

I don't want to mention the name of other games I play on this forum. I'll PM you the last major MMO I played.

I know i "could" say it's name, but considering this is an EVE forum, I personally feel its direspectful to talk of other games.

I play EVE so I can meet other interesting, good people and go on space adventures.

Indeed. Gankers are already antisocial IRL, they use an online video game as a tool to cause distress in people they don´t even know, in the hope, often fulfilled, that the gankees will pour abuse on them. This is their autistic way to reach out and touch someone.

Or to rephrase, they don´t play a video game by play pretending being a pod pilot, they just use it in a way to cause emotional harm to people, because they see that it works. Which is quite problematic, since it does not fall within the magic circle.


About traits, check out the articles linked that discuss trolls´psychology.

there is no support for those claims

you have still not posted an argument

…but if you look at the reason why they're doing it, it's “because its good money, obviously. It's also less time consuming than some forms of pvp. Low risk, high reward. It's a lot of fun in that it's also somewhat of a 'hunt' I guess. […] It's all about the hunt, finding out how people tick.”

So even by your own “evidence” it's not all about causing people distress.

Do you have anything to support this claim?

Not in any way that matters for the discussion at hand.

You realise, I hope, that in doing so, you're “contributing to a competition that revolves around taking things from others”. Everything you do in this game does.

"Your expense" means the emotional response of the gankees. But let´s agree to disagree, since you know full well you pretend it´s not. I don´t have time nor will to argue with blatant dishonesty.

Second quote is describing how he and others behave

Third quote indicates that he loves getting hate mail, just as all gankers do. This is clearly an out-of-game goal, i.e., enjoying the RL rage of other gamers.


The support for the fact that gankers enjoy the disarray of gamers, and care little about ingame narratives, have been stated by the gankers themselves, and posted times and times again. You choose to be oblivious and dishonest about that. What can I say?

As much as I hate to come to this conclusion, but you're not worth my time. You don't even strike me as a real person. The way you conduct yourself screams a disconnection between yourself and your actions.

I've said all I need to say to you regarding anything you've asked me. The answers are there, but you don't want them. You just want to keep presenting the same questions over and over hoping I'll eventually trip myself up so you can say you bested me.

But I've already bested you. You refuse to acknowledge the connections I've stated on a multitude of different occassions.

Also when you speak to other people, you literally do parrot your own catch phrases incessantly.

It was fun while it lasted, but alas I've figured you out. Ultimately it didn't take long considering the only medium of interaction we had was on an internet forum.

I'm sure you'll disagree with me, but you've already proven to me that you're not someone who's opinion I should invest value in. I mean, you stated that the guy who lies to someone and then steals from him is "winning". To me, that's enough proof that you are a broken person. I'm writing you off as lost and putting you on ignore.

... is Mario Kart because:

Anhenka's Law: Everything regarding ethics and morality can be examined through the lens of Mario Kart.

The logical backing is as follows:
Gankers state time and time again that they´re in it for the tears, (or the lulz)
Those tears are the emotional response of gankees, and the gankers know the best ways to harvest them
Those tears are a word for the RL rage of the gankees
The gankers find this rage delicious, and they see their own, RL, self, as the cause of it
The characters they use to harvest those tears are absolutely irrelevant, and often biomassed so as to render the sec status penalties null and void. They create new ones.

Since they take their delight in picturing their own, RL, self, as having caused RL disarray in some other gamer, through an online video game, this is clearly outside the magic circle, and does not qualify as good video gaming sport.
They do not care one bit about the ingame narrative. All they enjoy is out-of-game rage they have caused in other gamers.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to copy paste this over the course of a dozen pages?