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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2014-02-27 15:28:30 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Survey: Online trolls are 'everyday sadists'

Slate: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People: Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic

Research suggests sadism spurs internet trolls


kudos to you but did you have to save the git incapable of making his own argument

I'll add that there's no logical link between these and the claim of 'a person who plays as a pirate in EVE is an antisocial person in real life'. Until an actual argument is provided, the reasonable assumption is that any identified group or playstyle in EVE Online will have the same percentage of antisocial people or people with strong antisocial traits as the general real-world population, and that these people are equally distributed in EVE Online vOv

The people in this thread making contrary claims have basically been stomping their feet and crying "BUT I SAY" so far
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#302 - 2014-02-27 15:28:52 UTC
this thread like all the others has reached past it's due age, again this should have been locked since page 1, we all knew where it was going.. cmon ISDs..
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#303 - 2014-02-27 15:31:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia, if it is not you choosing to make a choice, who is it?

Doesn't matter. What matters is that you have no way of transposing my in-game choices into real-world morals and character.


I do not wish to talk to you in large multi-paragraph, entire page quote fests anymore so we're only doing short statements now.

Answer the question or you lose. You do not wish to answer it because you know once we establish what we both know that ultimately we are the ones choosing to make those choices, that I'll have a direct path to answering your question, which you absolutely do not want to happen.
Lawson Finch
Doomheim
#304 - 2014-02-27 15:36:06 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
No, I will absolutely decimate a gallente IRL.

Put a gallente in front of me and see what happens.

What about this isn't computing with you?


It computes just fine with me.

If you're capable of being violently racist towards a fictional race, then you're potentially violently racist to RL races.

It's your logic I'm using here, so it should make sense to you.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#305 - 2014-02-27 15:39:06 UTC
Lawson Finch wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
No, I will absolutely decimate a gallente IRL.

Put a gallente in front of me and see what happens.

What about this isn't computing with you?


It computes just fine with me.

If you're capable of being violently racist towards a fictional race, then you're potentially violently racist to RL races.

It's your logic I'm using here, so it should make sense to you.


I could potentially be anything.

Are you saying that based on the evidence that since I am likely to be racist towards a make believe race, that I am capable of being racist to real life races as well?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#306 - 2014-02-27 15:43:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dude, did you really just link something from WnD ( a seriously crackpot right wing site that makes all of us of that particular political orientation look like raving lunatics) as proof of something?

That's like trying to prove something by linking a National Enquirer or Onion article. Hell, the Onion would be a more credible source.

To everyone else, do people like this know they're batshit crazy or is it just us?


Confirming that he does not know he's
batshit crazy.
batshit stupid.

No one that is thinks they are. As such there is no point in any discussion with him (but I do hope he keeps posting).

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Lawson Finch
Doomheim
#307 - 2014-02-27 15:46:42 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Lawson Finch wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
No, I will absolutely decimate a gallente IRL.

Put a gallente in front of me and see what happens.

What about this isn't computing with you?


It computes just fine with me.

If you're capable of being violently racist towards a fictional race, then you're potentially violently racist to RL races.

It's your logic I'm using here, so it should make sense to you.


I could potentially be anything.

Are you saying that based on the evidence that since I am likely to be racist towards a make believe race, that I am capable of being racist to real life races as well?


Yes.
Very much like one would take the evidence of one stealing make-believe assets and transposing that to them being likely to steal in RL too.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2014-02-27 15:53:05 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

I'll add that there's no logical link between these and the claim of 'a person who plays as a pirate in EVE is an antisocial person in real life'. Until an actual argument is provided, the reasonable assumption is that any identified group or playstyle in EVE Online will have the same percentage of antisocial people or people with strong antisocial traits as the general real-world population, and that these people are equally distributed in EVE Online vOv

The people in this thread making contrary claims have basically been stomping their feet and crying "BUT I SAY" so far


Most of the gankers/scammers are clearly sociopathic, and revel in other´s distress: This is their RL, using EvE as a platform to experience Schadenfreude.

Pirates are another matter altogether, since quite a few pirates play pretend being pirates, and like to impersonate their character, not use it to collect tears. Their behavior is within the magic circle.

Also, evidence of said gankers´enjoyment has been provided already.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#309 - 2014-02-27 15:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mandarine wrote:
Most of the gankers/scammers are clearly sociopathic, and revel in other´s distress: This is their RL, using EvE as a platform to experience Schadenfreude.
Do you have anything to support this claim?

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Also, evidence of said gankers´enjoyment has been provided already.
You mean the piece that offers no generalities about gankers?


Divine Entervention wrote:
The way to transpose the in game choices into real world is by connecting the medium between the real world and the game, the person.
No, that's the end, not the means. You're still skipping over the actual transposition and just claiming without support that the two are linked.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#310 - 2014-02-27 15:58:08 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
Most of the gankers/scammers are clearly sociopathic, and revel in other´s distress: This is their RL, using EvE as a platform to experience Schadenfreude.

not an argument

Mandarine wrote:
Also, evidence of said gankers´enjoyment has been provided already.

congratulations, you've provided proof that, uh, this one guy enjoys a legitmate part of a computer game

Benny Ohu wrote:

I'll add that there's no logical link between these and the claim of 'a person who plays as a pirate in EVE is an antisocial person in real life'. Until an actual argument is provided, the reasonable assumption is that any identified group or playstyle in EVE Online will have the same percentage of antisocial people or people with strong antisocial traits as the general real-world population, and that these people are equally distributed in EVE Online vOv

The people in this thread making contrary claims have basically been stomping their feet and crying "BUT I SAY" so far
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#311 - 2014-02-27 15:59:04 UTC
emm in your link provided the so called "sociopath" is actually offering advice and being friendly about it and how to avoid griefers, and he says he does it for the challenge, or did just read his first reply about the definition of a griefer and assume he does it to make others suffer.

I'm guessing that.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#312 - 2014-02-27 16:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Oblivion King wrote:
emm in your link provided the so called "sociopath" is actually offering advice and being friendly about it and how to avoid griefers, and he says he does it for the challenge, or did just read his first reply about the definition of a griefer and assume he does it to make others suffer.

I'm guessing that.

if the griefer is doing it soley for the challenge, it's still considered immoral because he's not taking the targets feelings into account. It's a demonstration of lack of empathy. If it were truly about the challenge and the challenge alone, after accomplishing his goal he would give whatever he took back. Or replace it, seeing as how he's not motivated by the financial rewards, but the challenge.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#313 - 2014-02-27 16:05:29 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
if the griefer is doing it soley for the challenge, it's still considered immoral because he's not taking the targets feelings into account. It's a demonstration of lack of empathy.

When you win a hand in poker, are you taking the opponents' feelings into account? Is it immoral to take their money? Does it demonstrate a lack of empathy to win a challenging game?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#314 - 2014-02-27 16:06:04 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Link to one example (there are many such examples to support Mandarine's hypothesis)
The Sociopaths of social media



bahahahahahahhahaah what a ******* joke.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2014-02-27 16:09:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
if the griefer is doing it soley for the challenge, it's still considered immoral because he's not taking the targets feelings into account. It's a demonstration of lack of empathy.

When you win a hand in poker, are you taking the opponents' feelings into account? Is it immoral to take their money? Does it demonstrate a lack of empathy to win a challenging game?

i took into account my opponent's desire to play a competitive computer game and took action to compete with them
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#316 - 2014-02-27 16:10:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
if the griefer is doing it soley for the challenge, it's still considered immoral because he's not taking the targets feelings into account. It's a demonstration of lack of empathy.

When you win a hand in poker, are you taking the opponents' feelings into account? Is it immoral to take their money? Does it demonstrate a lack of empathy to win a challenging game?


I do not gamble because I do not like contributing to a competition that revolves around taking things from others.

I do not play poker.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#317 - 2014-02-27 16:11:52 UTC
Also, poker is not the same as eve.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#318 - 2014-02-27 16:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Benny Ohu wrote:
i took into account my opponent's desire to play a competitive computer game and took action to compete with them

How inconsiderate of you.

Divine Entervention wrote:
I do not gamble because I do not like contributing to a competition that revolves around taking things from others.
I do not play poker.
So what do you play? And if you don't like that, why are you playing EVE?

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Also, poker is not the same as eve.
it is in all they ways that matter for the topic at hand.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#319 - 2014-02-27 16:13:23 UTC
What are the different objectives you can pursue in poker? Whats like, the ultimate goal?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#320 - 2014-02-27 16:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
What are the different objectives you can pursue in poker? Whats like, the ultimate goal?

Depends on what you want to get out of it.

So, what do you play? And why do you play EVE?