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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#281 - 2014-02-27 14:49:00 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Sorry, I am not about to quote the content of 44,000 results in .22 seconds an the eve forums. But I do invite you to read a book anytime you like Cool
Good news: I didn't ask you for 44k results. I just asked you to provide one. If it's that common, you really shouldn't have any problems doing so.
So I take it you don't actually want to prove your claim, then, since you still don't (or is that “can't”?).
Lawson Finch
Doomheim
#282 - 2014-02-27 14:49:54 UTC
@Divine Entervention

In this thread you make racist remarks about the Gallente.
I will judge from this observation that you are also a racist out of game.

That's how it works, right?
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#283 - 2014-02-27 15:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Thanks Eternum, I saved your description of Tippia´s debate behavior for future use, the cap fits, let him wear it!

And let´s have a few quotes from an enlightening interview...

"Well, a griefer is somebody who basically enjoys having fun at other peoples expense. So, a highsec griefer is exactly that: Somebody who griefs in high sec. This means all sorts of things. The array of activities that you could consider high sec griefing is quite expansive. Everything from can flipping, (Which still works to a degree), to safaris (Corp killing), and even newer emergent forms like duel spamming"

"People in this game want to ruin your experience, and you need to be careful."

"And, when people are not polite to us, there are always the tears. I don't know why, but something about getting told to get cancer and die just makes my day."

http://touringneweden.blogspot.fi/2013/06/an-interview-with-highsec-griefer.html


And to keep to the point of this thread: forum wars being the continuation of what happens ingame, it´s no surprise that the kind of people who relish the emotional disarray of others through certain actions in internet spaceships, will demonstrate the same kind of unhealthy behavior on the related forum.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#284 - 2014-02-27 15:02:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:


except, of course, that that's not my logic. That's just some strawman you just erected. The Wall Street trader can invest because he has established a pattern. The meteorologist can predict the weather because he's done the same. But more importantly: both are aware of their model and express it in terms of likelihoods.

They do not render judgement — they predict with a degree of certainty.


So based on the wall street traders observations, he's created what he's established as a pattern.

Based on the meteorologists observations, he's created what he's established as a pattern.

These patterns cannot 100% be always accurate.

Yet that's what you're demanding of me. 100% accuracy regarding the likely hood of direct, defacto correlation of in game and out of game crime.

That's not possible under any circumstance. If you wish for me to provide 100% proof that someone will steal from me if he's stolen from me in game, then on the other hand you have to prove how it's 100% proof that he will not steal from me.

I can't 100% predict anything regarding another person's potential, to do so would be clairvoyance. You're demanding super natural acts.

Now, because no one is capable of absolute certainty, that doesn't mean we can't suppose based on the information provided us.

The thief has given me information, evidence, his stealing from me. He took my property, but he gave me the knowledge that he is a person who chooses to do immoral acts. I know nothing of him other than how he portrays himself to me. How has he portrayed himself to me? That some times he views me as someone it's OK to deceive and steal from. Because of this, I cannot know for absolute certainty that he will not do so out of game as well. He's given me evidence that I cannot trust him under at least some circumstances, which means since there is one instance, there could be a pattern in development, that instance could extrapolate.

IMO, someone who establishes himself as a person who will prey upon you in game should not be trusted, because he's already proven within the confines of a game, he'll steal from you, but can you know with absolute certainty where the game ends with him regarding human interaction? Better to play it safe. You don't need that thief anyways.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#285 - 2014-02-27 15:04:45 UTC
Lawson Finch wrote:
@Divine Entervention

In this thread you make racist remarks about the Gallente.
I will judge from this observation that you are also a racist out of game.

That's how it works, right?


You are correct. Out of game, I absolutely despise every gallente I meet.

I would punch a gallente in the face and laugh at him for smelling bad and being inferior.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2014-02-27 15:04:54 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Sorry, I am not about to quote the content of 44,000 results in .22 seconds an the eve forums. But I do invite you to read a book anytime you like Cool

You never know what you may learn

the only book i've read is clifford the big red dog and it's a better source than anything you've provided
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#287 - 2014-02-27 15:06:49 UTC
if anyone is wondering if i am a big red dog irl due to my choice of literature the answer is no btw
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#288 - 2014-02-27 15:10:13 UTC
Survey: Online trolls are 'everyday sadists'

Slate: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People: Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic

Research suggests sadism spurs internet trolls

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#289 - 2014-02-27 15:11:47 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Lawson Finch wrote:
@Divine Entervention

In this thread you make racist remarks about the Gallente.
I will judge from this observation that you are also a racist out of game.

That's how it works, right?


You are correct. Out of game, I absolutely despise every gallente I meet.

I would punch a gallente in the face and laugh at him for smelling bad and being inferior.


yes, and out of game I would totally steal from an Eve character, but not in real life. See how that works?

If Eve players were so horrible there'd be a lot more theft and murder at fanfest, but its actually a place where people who hate and kill each other in game share a beer and have fun together over a common interest.

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Never forget.
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#290 - 2014-02-27 15:13:43 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I cannot be goaded into linking an even larger wall of text than I already have.
So I take it you don't actually want to prove your claim, then.

The original assertion was that gankers and scammers only do it to humiliate other players. You offered a treatise (of dubious origins) about “sociopathy” on the internet. You then insinuated without proof that the two are connected, and now you're trying to shirk the responsibility to establish that one actually exists.

Quote:
Anyone who has even a passing interest can read all about sociopaths and their interactions on the Internet. You can find it here on the Internet or at your local library. Pretending that it does not exist does not make it not exist. The information is there.
Good. Then you should have absolutely no problems providing it.



Sorry, I am not about to quote the content of 44,000 results in .22 seconds an the eve forums. But I do invite you to read a book anytime you like Cool

You never know what you may learn


Bai now, I'll be back to play with you further after work. Kiss <3


so you don't even say what this books name is, nor link to where we might find it, or linke to page of this wall of text, because you know a 44k wall of text (omg 44k words how can I ever read that Roll )
you just say that "I have evidence but i'm not gonna show it" good old interwebs.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#291 - 2014-02-27 15:14:12 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.

You are right - it´s adoreable - isn´t it old chap?
Now GTFO.

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Lawson Finch
Doomheim
#292 - 2014-02-27 15:14:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Lawson Finch wrote:
@Divine Entervention

In this thread you make racist remarks about the Gallente.
I will judge from this observation that you are also a racist out of game.

That's how it works, right?


You are correct. Out of game, I absolutely despise every gallente I meet.

I would punch a gallente in the face and laugh at him for smelling bad and being inferior.


Not only a racist but one who follows his bigotry up with violence.
I'm glad I don't know you in RL.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#293 - 2014-02-27 15:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Lawson Finch wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Lawson Finch wrote:
@Divine Entervention

In this thread you make racist remarks about the Gallente.
I will judge from this observation that you are also a racist out of game.

That's how it works, right?


You are correct. Out of game, I absolutely despise every gallente I meet.

I would punch a gallente in the face and laugh at him for smelling bad and being inferior.


Not only a racist but one who follows his bigotry up with violence.
I'm glad I don't know you in RL.


Are you gallente? If you are, you should be glad you don't know me RL. You being gallente, and me a superior caldari, I would have to dominate and subjugate you, considering it's the natural way of our peoples.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#294 - 2014-02-27 15:17:40 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
So based on the wall street traders observations, he's created what he's established as a pattern.
Based on the meteorologists observations, he's created what he's established as a pattern.
These patterns cannot 100% be always accurate.

Yet that's what you're demanding of me.
Nope. I'm demanding of you any pattern that connects the two. You keep skipping that part and instead jump directly from one observation to an unrelated conclusion.

Quote:
The thief has given me information, evidence, his stealing from me.
…in a game, which tells you nothing about his morals or character outside of the game. You can make all kinds of assumptions, but that just makes your conclusion prejudice.

Quote:
IMO, someone who establishes himself as a person who will prey upon you in game should not be trusted, because he's already proven within the confines of a game, he'll steal from you, but can you know with absolute certainty where the game ends with him regarding human interaction?
So basically, you're just being a misanthrope. Assume the worst of everyone because why not.

Mandarine wrote:
http://touringneweden.blogspot.fi/2013/06/an-interview-with-highsec-griefer.html

And to keep to the point of this thread: forum wars being the continuation of what happens ingame, it´s no surprise that the kind of people who relish the emotional disarray of others through certain actions in internet spaceships, will demonstrate the same kind of unhealthy behavior on the related forum.

…and that's a nice, if subjective, view of griefing. But what about the scammers and gankers?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#295 - 2014-02-27 15:20:03 UTC
Lawson Finch
Doomheim
#296 - 2014-02-27 15:20:46 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Are you gallente? If you are, you should be glad you don't know me RL. You being gallente, and me a superior caldari, I would have to dominate and subjugate you, considering it's the natural way of our peoples.


So your racism is confined to just being in the game?
The fact that you could hate a fictional race has no correlation to your capacity to hate a race in RL?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#297 - 2014-02-27 15:22:57 UTC
Tippia, if it is not you choosing to make a choice, who is it?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#298 - 2014-02-27 15:24:14 UTC
Lawson Finch wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Are you gallente? If you are, you should be glad you don't know me RL. You being gallente, and me a superior caldari, I would have to dominate and subjugate you, considering it's the natural way of our peoples.


So your racism is confined to just being in the game?
The fact that you could hate a fictional race has no correlation to your capacity to hate a race in RL?



No, I will absolutely decimate a gallente IRL.

Put a gallente in front of me and see what happens.

What about this isn't computing with you?
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#299 - 2014-02-27 15:25:04 UTC
this whole argument is ******* ********, next thing you're gonna say people who played counter strike and picked terrorists have a passion for bombing others.

And you think people who play an online GAME are sociopaths/psychopaths you realize how stupid that sounds? do you even know what those words mean, or that they would even waste their time on a game like EvE to fulfill their "desires" what they can do much easier and much harmful in a myriad of other ways.

And I agree trolls are actually the most harmful (i'm not talking about the funny trolls but the subtle ones who go out of their way to make people fight and hate each other, and not just online..)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#300 - 2014-02-27 15:27:44 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia, if it is not you choosing to make a choice, who is it?

Doesn't matter. What matters is that you have no way of transposing my in-game choices into real-world morals and character.