EVE General Discussion

I like to pretend that people don't argue for the sake of arguing. Make believe is fun!

That was just a relevant quote. Whether you feel the comparison to being a forum hardcase applies to you or not is for you to judge.

I didn't make any specific judgment.

Yeah sure to the rest. Whatever knocks your socks off.

Seems we are off topic again. My bad.

Sorry everyone. No more food from me.

But you didn't observe them doing this in reality, hence you are basing your conclusions of their character in reality on circumstantial correlations. I said that. I said that in very plain language. So plain that the only way for you to miss it was to ignore it. Based on that observation, I would say you're a pretty ignorant person.

Is what he stole real? No.

Is his act of stealing it real? Yes it is.

Also, we get to choose what we attribute value to. I may not care if I lose a merlin, but I may care when I lose a griffin. I get to pick and choose where my values lie, just like you.

@ Divine Entervention: Hi, I'm a typical RPG thief class character, are my values in real life morally reprehensible?

My absolute love on Ultima Online was to be a thief, stealing was the bees knees back in the old days...

However to my utmost core I despise stealing in real life. Am I doomed as a person in real life to go to hell because I've stolen someones' pixel crack?

For it to be stealing, wouldn't the owners need to be asked first if it actually was?

Do you lie to people to gain their trust, then use their trust to stab them in the back then steal?

if so, then yes, you're a bad person.

I find EvE to be fun, because I have fun play pretending being a space pilot, as should be, in a MMORPG involving space pilots.

This is when it´s good clean fun, when players impersonate the character they created. This is within the magic circle, to use to the bone this analogy.

In the course of this impersonating, they can do whatever they want, but it has to make sense in, and be related to, the context of the play-pretend universe, otherwise it´s immersion-breaking, and the fun is reduced for everybody. Of course, this doesn´t apply to people considering that EvE is made of chatrooms called systems.

Now, let´s adress gankers, scammers, etc





A MMORPG in which there is virtual violence absolutely needs villains for it to have a narrative, nobody is saying that it should not.

Now,. where there is a point of disagreement, is on what constitutes a narrative, and what doesn´t. It is self-evident that gankers and many scammers are not out to create a narrative developing within the magic circle, even though some of their deeds are relayed by press and fora as part of the EvE story. But what those deeds really are, are players using an online game as a platform to revel in the joy of having humiliated someone accross the internet. They say it themselves, they like to harvest tears. They, being their out of game selves, tears, being the out of game rage of others gamers (magic circle again, how does it work?)

They develop glee by witnessing their own RL selves (i:e. not their ingame character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe.

Oppose this to the reveries of many gamers imagining their favorite character, whom they impersonate, waging battles, solving puzzles, interacting in some form or another with other player-controlled characters, all in the environment of the game, and all under personas.
This would be the category of players who enjoy the narrative, the ingame happenings, the play pretending, the imagining their character interacting in whatever way they choose in this sandbox universe. Those players know that EvE is a game, and they know that games are more fun when everybody is having fun, much like parties or sexual intercourse. This is basic human communication.

The other category of players does not care one bit about the narrative, nor the play pretending. What they most enjoy is being empowered by having made someone mad across the internet, and the characters involved or ingame circumstances are quite irrelevant. They get their kick by cherishing the picture of their own RL self causing distress to the RL self of somebody else.

This clearly does not fit any New Eden narrative I know of.


And concerning the negativity on this forum, it´s hardly surprising that this second category of players also use this forum as an online tool to lash at people in an attempt to get high on their subsequent rage.

I think that cuts both ways really. If someone allows a mere game to become a conduit that results in them experiencing real-world pain or heartache easily then I'd argue that person is actually the one with the bigger issue.

Also, welcome to EVE.