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Getting ganked on a closed Jita gate

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#481 - 2014-03-04 14:30:22 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
The result of something in game doesnt mean it is a design or game feature. I suspect should these same feature that is working as intended prevented people from getting ganked then you guys would be flip flopping and arguing the other way.


I'm also relatively certain that Shield Extenders, Invulnerability Fields, and Damage Control Units still work as intended.

ED: Yep, just checked. All that **** still works as intended.

LOL you really have no idea at all how gankers work do you? This goes back to the basic problem most people have. Regardless of tank or EHP they can still bring more DPS then you have EHP. Basic math as far as that part goes.

There are other things you can do to lower the chance you will be ganked and you can also reduce that to zero.....only if you stay docked but then why play?
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#482 - 2014-03-04 14:55:32 UTC
This thread is truly glorious.

Like, this is on par with the miner tears of yore.

If only there was some way to make it so that your ship isn't worth ganking.
E-2C Hawkeye
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#483 - 2014-03-04 18:18:35 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
This thread is truly glorious.

Like, this is on par with the miner tears of yore.

If only there was some way to make it so that your ship isn't worth ganking.

Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#484 - 2014-03-04 18:20:23 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.
Good. This is as it should be.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#485 - 2014-03-04 18:24:07 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
This thread is truly glorious.

Like, this is on par with the miner tears of yore.

If only there was some way to make it so that your ship isn't worth ganking.

Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.



We worked out that you are more likely to be in a car crash going to work than be ganked. When it comes to freighters, if you dont stuff billions into the hold you have a better chance of being struck by lightning.
E-2C Hawkeye
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#486 - 2014-03-04 18:24:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.
Good. This is as it should be.

Good then I am glad you agree that it is not always the fault of the person being ganked. Glad you seen it my way "as it should be"
E-2C Hawkeye
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#487 - 2014-03-04 18:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
baltec1 wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
This thread is truly glorious.

Like, this is on par with the miner tears of yore.

If only there was some way to make it so that your ship isn't worth ganking.

Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.



We worked out that you are more likely to be in a car crash going to work than be ganked. When it comes to freighters, if you dont stuff billions into the hold you have a better chance of being struck by lightning.

So what do you do for prowlers? Cannot scan them so do you chance it? You may not personally but I am sure we could find some empty prowler kills out there.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#488 - 2014-03-04 18:29:12 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.
Good. This is as it should be.

Good then I am glad you agree that it is not always the fault of the person being ganked. Glad you seen it my way "as it should be"


But if you die on the Jita gate waiting to get in, then yes its your fault.

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E-2C Hawkeye
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#489 - 2014-03-04 18:31:58 UTC
I predict with the continued status of blue-sec we will see a increase in ganking throughout hi-sec because of the boredom of nothing to do but grind in the deep safe sea of blue.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#490 - 2014-03-04 18:32:59 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Good then I am glad you agree that it is not always the fault of the person being ganked.
…except, of course, that it pretty much is. This is also as it should be.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#491 - 2014-03-04 18:35:21 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
This thread is truly glorious.

Like, this is on par with the miner tears of yore.

If only there was some way to make it so that your ship isn't worth ganking.

Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.



We worked out that you are more likely to be in a car crash going to work than be ganked. When it comes to freighters, if you dont stuff billions into the hold you have a better chance of being struck by lightning.

So what do you do for prowlers? Cannot scan them so do you chance it? You may not personally but I am sure we could find some empty prowler kills out there.


Given what blocade runners can do it is entirely the haulers fault if the die in high sec. Also I am confident that such an event is very rare.
E-2C Hawkeye
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#492 - 2014-03-04 18:38:35 UTC
Batelle wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Yet again another person missing the point. Should they want you dead, you will be dead regardless of profit or EHP.
Good. This is as it should be.

Good then I am glad you agree that it is not always the fault of the person being ganked. Glad you seen it my way "as it should be"


But if you die on the Jita gate waiting to get in, then yes its your fault.

I guess that would be on a case by case basis. Certainly a large portion of ganks could be avoided through reasonable means but to say every gank is the fault of the gankie would be absurd.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#493 - 2014-03-04 18:41:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Good then I am glad you agree that it is not always the fault of the person being ganked.
…except, of course, that it pretty much is. This is also as it should be.

You just said it wasn't. Not flip flopping again are you?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#494 - 2014-03-04 18:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
You just said it wasn't.
Nope. I just said that if someone wants you dead, they'll be able to able to kill you (but it'll cost them a hell of a lot). It's still your fault that they want you dead that much.

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Not flip flopping again are you?
Nope and nope, in that order.
Dietrich III
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#495 - 2014-03-04 18:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dietrich III
Good thing there's three other major trade hubs and thousands of other systems you can buy and sell your crap in. You want everybody else to change, you want the mechanics to change but the easiest thing to do is for YOU to change.

Quit whining about game mechanics that are not broken, about system caps that exist because the PLAYERS chose to make Jita the market hub of EVE, and realize that instead of clogging up the Jita gate you could have already gone to Amarr, Dodixie or Hek (or any of the other dozens of large in-game markets) and already completed your business.

That's the other consideration you have to make when you weigh the opportunity cost of trying to save a few million by waiting a half hour on the shut-down Jita gate, along with the increased risk of being ganked. Is it worth the risk to you?

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#496 - 2014-03-07 14:27:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
You just said it wasn't.
Nope. I just said that if someone wants you dead, they'll be able to able to kill you (but it'll cost them a hell of a lot). It's still your fault that they want you dead that much.

Quote:
Not flip flopping again are you?
Nope and nope, in that order.

LMAO do you ever read what you post? If so doesn’t it sound stupid even to you after you read it?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#497 - 2014-03-07 18:16:53 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
LMAO do you ever read what you post? If so doesn’t it sound stupid even to you after you read it?

So you can't actually point to anything that's wrong or that you disagree with.
E-2C Hawkeye
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#498 - 2014-03-07 19:02:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
LMAO do you ever read what you post? If so doesn’t it sound stupid even to you after you read it?

So you can't actually point to anything that's wrong or that you disagree with.

I could but you can only include 5 quotes and I have already traveled this road with you on several occasions always resulting in you getting the topic locked. So not worth the time or effort.

If you would like to read back thru the post to see where I disagree with you, please feel free to do so.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#499 - 2014-03-07 19:39:56 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I could
…and yet you fail to do so.

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I have already traveled this road with you on several occasions always resulting in you me getting the topic locked.
Maybe some day you'll actually learn to provide those points and arguments rather than hope that abuse and fallacies will do the job for you. That way, the mods will not get fed up with your trolling and refusal to actually engage in the discussion at hand. You've seen it happen so many times and yet you're incapable of spotting the pattern.

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If you would like to read back thru the post to see where I disagree with you, please feel free to do so.
Already done. Already responded to. The ball is in your court. Point out what's wrong and what you disagree with (how and why would be bonuses, but I don't expect that much from you so you can skimp on those if you feel it's too much). Otherwise, we're back to the same unavoidable conclusion…
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#500 - 2014-03-07 19:48:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Otherwise, we're back to the same unavoidable conclusion…


You mean that it's Hawkeye and he never manages to bring any facts to back up what he says?

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