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Getting ganked on a closed Jita gate

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#461 - 2014-02-26 19:18:39 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens.

That is the game. **** happens. But if you follow the basic rules, like "don't fly what you cannot afford to loose", there is nothing to worry or cry about.

If, on the other hand, you do something less bright, ah well, at least take it with a good attitude.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#462 - 2014-02-26 19:31:13 UTC
Venorati wrote:
Something tells me many of these posts would look different if we were talking about combat ships being denied entry into a pvp system.


Back in the day when i was big into null sec fleet fights, I'd commonly not be able to get into the target system. Before TiDi it was common to jump or jump briodge into a system and black screen for ever, logging out and back in didn't even work.

It never occurred to me to run to the forums and complain about it, I knew that that situation would be deathly laggy and i still clicked jump. Not everyone finds the need to moan about realities one encounters in the game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#463 - 2014-02-26 21:27:55 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?


No, what sounds stupid is suggesting that perfect safety should ever happen. Like you just did.

Well, that and comparing being ganked in a video game with being sexually assaulted in real life. Why do you freaking people always try to take it out of game like that? It's hyperbole, it's wholly inappropriate, and if it's not against the forum rules it certainly should be.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#464 - 2014-02-26 21:31:38 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?


If they do take the required steps to prevent ganking then they won't be dying while stuck on the Jita gate, they'll be dying somewhere else. As for comparing any of this to sexual violence, yeah, you're pretty stupid to say that.

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CAStabouts
#465 - 2014-02-27 01:01:39 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:



People can take every precaution available and should you be at the wrong place at the wrong time you can still get ganked.

Ganking is just part of the game but to suggest that every single person that ever was or will be ganked is ALWAYS at fault is ignorant.


No - people don't take every precaution available. That is why they get ganked (successfully).

If you get ganked in new caldari or perimeter on a jita gate you've already failed at "taking every precaution".


Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?


The last precautions are probabilistic and social, not deterministic, game engine rules. Note that is typical of a multiplayer game, and generally necessary for a multiplayer game to be considered a game. I also suspect the probability of event you are trying to discuss (ie someone that takes all precautions losing a ship), is actually so rare as to happen less than once a day with 50,000+ daily players playing the game. I doubt you can actually point one out, and I'm certain its never happened to you personally.

ie highsec is not dangerous enough to kill me if I am taking sufficient care, even with 9 or so active wars, including marmite.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#466 - 2014-02-27 14:32:22 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Organic Lager wrote:
Aren't you asking to be the special snowflake though?

The system works the same way everywhere else except for at certain times in this one particular system. All people here are asking for is that it work the same way or at least as close to as all the other systems.


Sitting on a gate is sitting on a gate, so no, I'm not asking for special treatment. Also, it's not just Jita - try logging on as soon as the server comes up after downtime - it's quite common to get a gate locked message while the random system you're trying to get into is loaded. You have the same options then, wait for the gate to let you through and risk dying, or get the hell out of dodge until it will let you through.

Sure you are. You are sitting on a gate taking advantage of people not getting in. This condition does not occur in null sec gates....so if all you are doing is sitting on a gate then go do it in null-sec ie (BLUESEC).

So you are asking for CCP not to fix the population issue so you may keep ganking.

Seems very snowflake to me. I dont see people screaming for a wait on every other eve gate??
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#467 - 2014-02-27 16:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?


No, what sounds stupid is suggesting that perfect safety should ever happen. Like you just did.

Well, that and comparing being ganked in a video game with being sexually assaulted in real life. Why do you freaking people always try to take it out of game like that? It's hyperbole, it's wholly inappropriate, and if it's not against the forum rules it certainly should be.

There goes your reading comprehension thing again. If somehow you got total safety from anything I wrote then you made that connection in your own limited mind.

It was also a tool used to show how stupid you guys sound by saying that EVERY person ganked past present and future is at fault. The ganker initiates the gank reguardless of any preperation of the victim.

I know you cant fix stupid, so moving forward I will not bother reading what you post.
Marsha Mallow
#468 - 2014-02-27 17:12:29 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Back in the day when i was big into null sec fleet fights, I'd commonly not be able to get into the target system. Before TiDi it was common to jump or jump briodge into a system and black screen for ever, logging out and back in didn't even work.

It never occurred to me to run to the forums and complain about it, I knew that that situation would be deathly laggy and i still clicked jump. Not everyone finds the need to moan about realities one encounters in the game.

Thankfully, some folk did come to the forums and complain, hence TiDi. Not everyone accepts realities in the game as unfixable.

Jenn aSide wrote:
I too once thought posting proof and facts and reason and the words of the DEVS themselves would mean something.

I love how you capitalised DEVS. Themselves! Citing them whilst they explain current mechanics but don't attempt to justify current problems is meaningless btw.

What's starting to become obvious from these threads and the attitude of the core GD posters is that they aren't actually all that qualified to talk about problems with game mechanics - ie, mission running peasants really shouldn't claim they are authorities on certain topics. I'd rather hear from gankers, heavy industrialists/traders and haulers. If there is a long term solution to Jita, it'll come from them, not from forum residents who have already stated they are unaffected.

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#469 - 2014-02-27 17:16:39 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
What's starting to become obvious from these threads and the attitude of the core GD posters is that they aren't actually all that qualified to talk about problems with game mechanics - ie, mission running peasants really shouldn't claim they are authorities on certain topics. I'd rather hear from gankers, heavy industrialists/traders and haulers. If there is a long term solution to Jita, it'll come from them, not from forum residents who have already stated they are unaffected.


I like to hear from the devs in terms of long term solutions. Somehow I think they're more qualified than anyone here to discuss any long term solutions.

Thankfully, there isn't a problem here.

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#470 - 2014-02-27 18:34:39 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
What's starting to become obvious from these threads and the attitude of the core GD posters is that they aren't actually all that qualified to talk about problems with game mechanics - ie, mission running peasants really shouldn't claim they are authorities on certain topics. I'd rather hear from gankers, heavy industrialists/traders and haulers. If there is a long term solution to Jita, it'll come from them, not from forum residents who have already stated they are unaffected.


I like to hear from the devs in terms of long term solutions. Somehow I think they're more qualified than anyone here to discuss any long term solutions.

Thankfully, there isn't a problem here.

How could not getting into a system and getting ganked on the gate not be an issue?? Have I missed this design feature on every other Eve gate I go through where you have to wait and need to keep clicking to get in?

If so I am not seeing it every where else. Where are the hordes screaming for this feature to be added to all the eve gates?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#471 - 2014-02-27 18:39:19 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
How could not getting into a system and getting ganked on the gate not be an issue??
Everything is working as intended and as expected. It is also trivially easy to avoid unless you pay absolutely no attention (in which case getting ganked is pretty appropriate).
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#472 - 2014-02-27 21:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
How could not getting into a system and getting ganked on the gate not be an issue??
Everything is working as intended and as expected. It is also trivially easy to avoid unless you pay absolutely no attention (in which case getting ganked is pretty appropriate).

If that were true why are not all the others gates NOT functioning and working the same as intended?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#473 - 2014-02-27 21:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
If that were true why are not all the others gates NOT functioning and working the same as intended?

They are. There is nothing special or magical about the Jita gates that make them behave or function differently from any other gates.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#474 - 2014-02-27 21:16:31 UTC
The result of something in game doesnt mean it is a design or game feature. I suspect should these same feature that is working as intended prevented people from getting ganked then you guys would be flip flopping and arguing the other way.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#475 - 2014-02-27 21:42:55 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
The result of something in game doesnt mean it is a design or game feature. I suspect should these same feature that is working as intended prevented people from getting ganked then you guys would be flip flopping and arguing the other way.


You mean like CONCORD working as intended?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#476 - 2014-02-27 21:44:33 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
The result of something in game doesnt mean it is a design or game feature. I suspect should these same feature that is working as intended prevented people from getting ganked then you guys would be flip flopping and arguing the other way.


I can give an example of precisely the opposite.

The recent MTU change. That whole thing pretty much puts the lie to your cute little narrative that carebears don't actively try to change their game for their own selfish benefit. Because that's exactly what keeps on happening, and the game's history shows the truth of that.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#477 - 2014-02-27 21:48:48 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
The result of something in game doesnt mean it is a design or game feature. I suspect should these same feature that is working as intended prevented people from getting ganked then you guys would be flip flopping and arguing the other way.

Funny you should say that. They are preventing people from getting ganked. We even have gankers in this thread sharing their experiences of it happening… And yet, no flip-flopping.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#478 - 2014-02-27 21:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
The result of something in game doesnt mean it is a design or game feature. I suspect should these same feature that is working as intended prevented people from getting ganked then you guys would be flip flopping and arguing the other way.


I'm also relatively certain that Shield Extenders, Invulnerability Fields, and Damage Control Units still work as intended.

ED: Yep, just checked. All that **** still works as intended.

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Chirjo Durruti
Doomheim
#479 - 2014-02-27 22:19:32 UTC
Stargates in empire space are owned by NPC corporations (and that's lore - read the books). They can shut down a gate whenever the hell they want.

On that note:

One does not simply haul stuff to Jita. Cool

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Ginger Barbarella
#480 - 2014-02-27 22:26:12 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
8/10


That's being WAY too generous...

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