EVE General Discussion

I have complete faith in my fellow pilots reliable stupidity/autopilots that I could sit there and convo targets in Urlen, and they'd still lemmings onto the gate. At best I'd probably get blamed for losses.

As I said, I have complete faith in my fellow pilot

Nobody forces them to sit on the Perimeter-Jita gate.

But one or two jumps are an option.

you need the super secret Jita gate password to get in... I never have any problem jumping...

I'll admit I gave up around page 8 and jumped to the end, so I might be a bit behind the conversation:

I understand some people want solutions to know for certain if they are going to be able to jump or not, but I just don't see any sane way. The nature of it, is that the gate isn't locked solid for ten minutes straight, then letting a hundred folks in before shutting again - it is constantly flickering between an open and locked state.

Some have said they want notification of if they can jump when they try to warp. Well, I'm sorry, but how long does it take a freighter to align and warp across perimetre? Whatever information you got when you clicked warp will have been out of date before you enter warp, let alone when you finally land. Others have suggesting using the billboards. Although the idea of the Jita gate billboards being turned into flashing red/green disco lights does appeal, I don't see how that helps anyone much.

Some have suggested once you press jump, you are invulnerable, regardless of whether or not you jump. Hate to tell you this, but you are in for a shock if you think this is a solution. As the resident of many a 10-minute warp tunnel, and someone who spent an hour loading in to B-R, the absolute last thing you want is to lock yourself out of controlling the ship for an indefinite period of time. Once that invulnerability kicks in, you aren't removing it manually and returning to state, you are stuck til they let you in. After ten minutes, do you still wait. After half an hour, do you still wait? And did you know, many a time, your ship has appeared in the destination system, with the gate cloak ticking down, even though you are still staring at the warp tunnel, with no means to defend your ship (I have both been killed, and warped to the next gate by my FC while still watching a warp tunnel)? Aside from removing yourself from the choice to stop in the adjoining system, you will just move the gank squads in to Jita itself, to catch the guys loaded in with the pilot still staring at a warp tunnel, or the guys who walked away from the screen while the loading occurs. It solves nothing.

Lol. Given CCP Explorers asinine comments regarding "players should use couriers instead of using Jita" its not suprising they fail to cause players to go immune like in a normal jump. Rather than admitting the game is failing they hide their heads in the proverbial sand. It is the development team and its leadership that is malfunctioning.

When the developers refuse to fix their game, while still taking money from their customers, one would think they would alleviate the consequences of the broken mechanics as much as possible.

When you take a gate normally you become invulnerable while jumping. This should extend to players attempting to take a gate and being queued. The only people I would imagine who would be against that are carebear gankers too scared to pvp outside of 0.9 systems or alts of nullbears too scared to use their mains to pvp in 0.9 systems.

you should as well know that it may happen and no go trough that gate with too valuable stuff on easily gankable ships.

Yeah, and its such a simple thing to fix, there are so many avenues to at least partly alleviate the issue.

1. Cap the system based on pilots in space. Pilots docked do not put a load on Jita's node since market and chat spam are on their own system.

2. Log off timers in Jita. How many people contributing to the cap are simply AFK all day. Why are they contributing to the cap?

3. Remove all missions, mining, pvp in Jita. There is absolutely no reason for people to be pvp'ing or otherwise doing anything in Jita except trading. They can **** off and go elswhere, there are thousands and thousands of systems in EVE. If you must camp people in Jita, you can do so on the gates in the surrounding systems.

4. Allow remote buying and selling in surrounding systems.

5. Add a scaling tax based on population.

That's just a few things they could do until they find a solution to the problem.



Not really interested in your simplistic ideas. Learn something about crowd behavior and implementation of solutions to crowd behavior before commenting on a very complex issue such as crowd behavior.

What stops the ganker from ganking you on the other side? As you clearly are just sitting there idle, watching a movie, waiting for the gate to let you through. So while you're in the best part of Ted & Bill's most Excellent adventure, you will have been let through and ganked on the other side instead?

I'd vote no, because not doing that gives a bigger chance of a new trade hub starting up, as it may force you elsewhere - or risk it.

/c

Its more like you need to go shop in Woolies, but Woolies though serving a population of over 50,000 customers only has 100 carparks. Then you complain to Woolies and they tell you if you can't get a park then you should get a courier to do your shopping for you. You might only want bread or milk but you're expected to get a courier, you need the bread and milk for your kids to go to school tomorrow but the couriers are really unreliable and might not pick up your bread and milk today or ever.

More importantly, from a development and business point of view and directly regarding EVE specifically, CCP has customers who cannot log into their game, they have a market system that is so faulty that only one main trading hub exists (Amarr, Rens and Dodixie are not main hubs when compared to Jita, they are at best secondary hubs).

They have a responsibility as recipients of our subscriptions to ensure the game works to a reasonable standard. In regards to Jita, the game is not working to a reasonable standard. By reasonable standard I mean one in which you can access your account and play the game in a reasonable amount of time and with a minimum of customer frustration.