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Getting ganked on a closed Jita gate

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drummendejef maaktnietuit
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1 - 2014-02-23 17:50:29 UTC
Hey guys,

most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.

This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)

I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#2 - 2014-02-23 17:51:54 UTC
No

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3 - 2014-02-23 17:56:08 UTC
if a sitting duck decides to move he might dodge the occasional bullet.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2014-02-23 17:58:26 UTC
8/10
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#5 - 2014-02-23 17:59:02 UTC
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button?


That's cool.

It makes me think that it would be a better idea to go dock up somewhere nearby and wait until off-peak hours to get into Jita.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2014-02-23 17:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
No. Try using a non-camped gate.
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-02-23 18:01:16 UTC
if the player is invulnerable can he also shoot other players?
"press jita gate"
"invulnerable"
"proceed to shoot everyone in the vicinity"
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#8 - 2014-02-23 18:02:19 UTC
Don't worry concord will kill the gankers

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#9 - 2014-02-23 18:04:14 UTC
Oblivion King wrote:
if the player is invulnerable can he also shoot other players?
"press jita gate"
"invulnerable"
"proceed to shoot everyone in the vicinity"


I'm going to say no as it would be similar to dock/undock invul and the like

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Angeleh
Silverflames
#10 - 2014-02-23 18:05:24 UTC
A ship that has made it to the gate and activated it should be out safe and not risk being killed.

The gate malfunctioning and not transporting the ship is a game fault that then makes the ship vulnerable - and gankers knowing where this game fault happens a lot makes the fault easily exploitable.

I can see where OP is coming from, just saying people need to move is not a solution at all. First large ships takes forever to move in which time they could be killed (but should have been safe), secondly the ship needs to stay right at the gate to keep spamming the jump command.

I have not yet been killed at a Jita gate while waiting to get in though and do not know if it is really problem?
Dave Stark
#11 - 2014-02-23 18:07:36 UTC
to be fair, there should be some way to know if jita is full other than having to try the gate.
no other gate is closed, let alone with no indication.

not to mention there should be some kind of queue for the jita gate since having to spam the jump button to get in is ******* ******** in itself.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#12 - 2014-02-23 18:10:01 UTC
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
drummendejef maaktnietuit
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
#13 - 2014-02-23 18:11:06 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Don't worry concord will kill the gankers


Yeah, but if you are in a Blockade Runner or a Covert Op, CONCORD won't be fast enough.


Domanique Altares wrote:
It makes me think that it would be a better idea to go dock up somewhere nearby and wait until off-peak hours to get into Jita.


Not everyone has the ability to come online at the off-peak hours?


Oblivion King wrote:
if the player is invulnerable can he also shoot other players?


Offcourse not, it's like when the session change is already in progress, you can't do anything except wait.


Angeleh wrote:
I have not yet been killed at a Jita gate while waiting to get in though and do not know if it is really problem?


It happened to me yesterday, I also don't really know if there are alot of people having the same experience, but I don't really like it.
I was dead before I could read the pop-up message.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#14 - 2014-02-23 18:11:30 UTC
Angeleh wrote:

The gate malfunctioning and not transporting the ship is a game fault that then makes the ship vulnerable - and gankers knowing where this game fault happens a lot makes the fault easily exploitable.


The gate is not malfunctioning. It is performing its purpose as intended.

The fact that players know that this is the case, and that it will happen during US and EU prime time, and on Sunday afternoons, and yet they still deliberately choose these times to go to Jita indicates that they find the risk acceptable.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2014-02-23 18:12:06 UTC
Angeleh wrote:
A ship that has made it to the gate and activated it should be out safe and not risk being killed.
Why? This isn't Ender's Game. The enemy gate is not down.

Quote:
The gate malfunctioning and not transporting the ship is a game fault that then makes the ship vulnerable
…except that the gate is not malfunctioning and it is not a game fault. If you get stuck on a gate with tons of valuables, it is rather your fault for not trying to ensure your own safety. Sticking around on a well-trafficked, ganker-packed gate to a system that is often closed doesn't quite qualify…
Dave Stark
#16 - 2014-02-23 18:12:20 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.


"don't play the game you're paying to play!"
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#17 - 2014-02-23 18:13:39 UTC
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:


Not everyone has the ability to come online at the off-peak hours?


You know, I feel your pain. Just imagine, though! What if there were a way to have your things moved around by another player when you don't have the time or capacity to do so, and have them insured by some form of collateral payment if the shipment fails?

That would be fantastic!

Going to F&I to suggest this ground breaking idea!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2014-02-23 18:15:53 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.

"don't play the game you're paying to play!"

That's a pretty silly suggestion. Why are you making it?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#19 - 2014-02-23 18:15:59 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.


"don't play the game you're paying to play!"


That's pretty much what OP wants to do. He wants to play Route 66 Online, where the Good Buddy Convoy always gets their shipment in on time.

What he's actually playing is EVE Online, where Jita Traffic Control cockblocks you, and loitering on the gate makes you fodder for people who want your stuff.
Dave Stark
#20 - 2014-02-23 18:16:09 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:


Not everyone has the ability to come online at the off-peak hours?


You know, I feel your pain. Just imagine, though! What if there were a way to have your things moved around by another player when you don't have the time or capacity to do so, and have them insured by some form of collateral payment if the shipment fails?

That would be fantastic!

Going to F&I to suggest this ground breaking idea!


but i don't want my things moved around by other players, i just want to get in to jita.
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