EVE General Discussion

I agree with the OP, but have one more item to add. An answer to the question of why some players prefer to be destructive and others constructive. It all comes down to The Rush.

The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative or constructive activities, industry, missions and the like.

Now its been pointed out that the opportunities for being constructive in null are in fact larger than empire. True, and many in empire would move out there and be constructive, if that was possible to do and still avoid PvP combat. But its not, so empire is the best alternative.

Very well put, I must applaud you for the research... nice to know that there is intellegence out there XD but seriously it really makes you wonder if genetics have alot to do with everything we do, and perhaps reasoning is also genetic that some people are just born without common sense and humility. if this is the case, perhaps my efforts to try to reason with some individuals goes beyond the scope of what I should be doing and thats procruring some safety for people who want it.

I've not read all the posts to see if anyone has mentioned another reason i have discovered why.

"ALL" null sec corps i have contacted and all players i have known that are in null sec tell me the same thing.

You CAN"T come to null sec and join a corp if you don't have ALOT of null sec PVP experience.
Best you can do is join a Renters corp.

I WILL NEVER JOIN A RENTERS CORP. MAKES ME THINK THAT I'M A SLAVE. NEVER, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Now that i have that out.

This is a game GAME. Not RL . I see no reason that i can't learn null sec pvp in a couple weeks with some good players in a small gang. I've chatted over the years with null sec players and another thing they say is. All YOU REALY NEED TO DO I FLEET PVP IS LISTEN ON VOICE COMS AND DO AS YOUR TOLD. Well, that's ok with me!!
And maybe i'm simplifing things a little bit to much but, i don't think so.

The truth of it is as i see it. Is that those in power in null sec just don't want anyone else in there corp/alliance. There all to greedy.

If there's a none renters corp/alliance out there that wants some highly skilled chars, veteran players. Myself and a few other players i know are interested. and we all have multiple accounts and more than 90m sp's .My main here has 123m sp's. Plus we're all cap ready. Willing and able

Regards

Jaguar Dragon

lol good to see you Vel :) wonderful entrance as always XD

LoL

Look 1) can be done, the thing is many did the other way around, got their head out of their butt and went back to high sec due to how ppl play null.

2) no idea if it works or not, I never tried it, still, there's always room for scamming everywhere, recruitment tool or channel, doesn't really matter, there will always be a goonlike trying to take advantage of a new player, and then when he get's the cold harsh truth of how things work he either won't repeat it ever (try to be recruited), or leave the game.

3) just shows how ignorant you are about human behavior over games this ain't WoW, you can't really mash keyboard and expect results specially in null, many have brought up several key issues why null is a nuisance, the objectives, the blobs, the cta's the name calling on anyone not a 23/7 pvper, the inability to join corps because they require high experience (except Goons but then, you can't join them either because you'll be scammed for sure), so either you start playing this game with an established bunch of friends or the majority of the new players will stay high sec all the time (read majority).

4) profit can happen everywhere, you can choose where pending how much arsed about it you want to be.

Protip: Goons can only scam you if you're being an idiot.

The main issues with getting people into low and null is the fact that the barriers between each section of space are more like a big concrete wall than a gentle slope, and the people that populate it enforce that.

Personally, I'm becoming a fan of putting NPC Police on all the 0.4/0.3 systems which directly boarder highsec.

This should have the effect of blurring the edges a bit and allowing easier travel into (and out of) the boarder systems which feed into low sec and then null properly by protecting the gates, while still allowing the pvpers to have targets in belts, anoms and missions.

This is especially important on the sections of the map that are null sec corridors, where you can't go around camps and the only sensible choice of a carebear or someone exploring is to turn back.


Now, I know people aren't happy with the idea of more NPC's in low sec but look at it this way: if you keep acting like African poachers you'll make your targets incredibly rare or even extinct. This'll mean you'll have little or no more targets at all, so giving a bit of space over to the NPC police and carebears should actually help boost the number of targets you get.

Unfortunately EvE doesn't operate like nature does, otherwise the current set of dirty pirates that like to gank any and everyone would find themselves out of money and dead due to lack of targets to feed them.


I think it's pretty obvious by now that constant cries that carebears should "HTFU" and go to low sec have done bugger all to populate low sec, so perhaps it's time to try a different solution like the one above?

Leave high sec alone. You could make an argument about removing high sec griefers. But I can't be bothered. You don't want to nerf high sec, that will just cost you subs.

Buff low sec.

Buff null sec. more!




Try to remember everytime you posted "Eve is a sandbox" and don't be a hypocrite!

I agree with your sentiment, although i prefer play in low or null sec. It's no skin off my back if they stay in hi sec, however i do feel that it's sort of like playing the game of "Risk" and once conquering north america stating that you have finished all aspects of the game. We pay for designers and folks to create this world for us, why not see what they are creating?

I do so tire of the 'Leet" players and their 0.0 how great it is and how hi sec should be blown to bits attitudes. I suppose if they had better people skills and would quit trying to shove the freshmen in the bathroom thus scaring the hell out of them that more folks would venture out into null and 0.0.

Despite what they claim of about 0.0 it's not the wild west of the game. Honestly, it's far more carebear than hi sec. Truth is they want you go to go null sec because they have 25% tax rates and if you get a taste of the ratting in null sec and the anoms you and they make so much money it can be amazing. Even with the anom nerfs, i still make great isk out there. Yes, dangers abound you but so long as local is available you have few issues avoiding the bad guys and roaming gangs. Put a cloak on, rat till you puke, and don't listen to these yahoo's about how soon as you jump a gate you will die.

You have never talked with us or many folks i know. I regularly take new pilots and teach them to survive in low and null sec. Most of them have less than 1M SP and are still in frigates and they do well. People simply need support and instruction. Survival is fairly easy.