EVE General Discussion

I find myself partially agreeing with an intrepid crossings alt

I know numerous "casual" (1-5 hours a week at odd times) players who inhabit various 0.0 alliances. It is easier to be casual in NPC space, it is possible any where. Most alliances will be pretty happy if you show up once a week on an op.

Because they are mentally disturbed.

Im being 100% honest. They are scared

Oft repeated and useless idea. People do 4s because the risk/reward makes them beneficial. And the isk/hr only gets good when you have a dedicated mission boat. Moving them to low makes them a poor investment. I can run 3s in a matter of minutes. 4s are a little longer but worth it because of the higher isk/hr. If I am splitting my profits with a security detail or running in a less optimal PvP ship that margin disappears. So if in some hypothetical fantasy universe CCP implemented such a change the end result would be some yartard 2 years later saying they need to move 3s to lowsec.

look, its simple, people like highsec because of how it works.
there is no way without breaking highsec to force people to move, and to be honest if you do that they will quit instead of move.

if you remove lvl 4, incursions, mining, PI and research and all the other stuff that i seen as massive isk faucets people will just do lvl 3s all day.

lowsec is a crapfest, pirates kill anything that moves = not fun did you have to kill the rifter? the raven? no even if the value of the loot would have been 200k isk you would have killed it. pirates in eve should be like real pirates, go for the big loots not the meh.

nullsec is a "lets blue everyone and never fight when we do we must have NUMBAAZZ" it be fun to have a corp of 20 guys take a system in null, defend from the occasional wannabee pvper that attack miners. but even empty space is owned in eve. if your not in a super alliance, your a renter, so all profits are lost.

Highsec
decent isk, no drama, no politics

Not sure what game you played, because back in 2004, pirates would call you a ***** if they managed to kill you, and a ****** if you managed to escape. Your mother would be insulted in either scenario. Bounties were self-collected, and only a few people wore them as badges of honor.

Not much has actually changed over the years, except ship stats, and the proportion of people who accept pvp as an inherent aspect of the game (regardless of their own activities), to those who don't.

Slarti? Nah he was a nice guy.

Quoting for emphasis.

Because WTZ was added specifically to address the bookmark problem with the database, because everyone and his mother was making insta-warp bookmarks to all the possible gates and stations and the sheer volume of bookmarks was slowing the database to a crawl, causing lag.

As part of the war on lag CCP decided to allow WTZ and simultaneously purged all bookmarks from the database.

Those who cry about WTZ would cry about anything, since this change was not done in any way to prevent PVP but rather to address an (unintentionally) disruptive pattern of player behavior in response to gate camps. But then again we already know that gankers are a bunch of instant-gratification seeking spoiled little princesses anyway. Those who do real PvP tend not to brag about it at all.

You can't force players to do what you want to do, just look at the bitching and moaning in this thread. There is no right and wrong here, just difference of play styles. i always liked the options in this game, there is no other game out there like Eve. I truely hope CCP dosen't change things so much as to limit the options. As for null alot of us left just to take a break from constant fleet fights, some simply waiting for the winter expansion which i think will improve the game somewhat. Lotta good stuff on the horizon

My first post since my resub <3

When I left, 0.0 was a joke that only interested bi-polar people, people who wanted to RMT or people who wanted to pass time.

0.0 now is still a joke that only interests the same people.

The question really is "why would anyone need to move to 0.0?" and 'fun' doesnt qualify for an answer

Whatever I need I can get from hisec, 'fun' seems to be faster and less bloated in hisec too, supercaps are too fat much like the leaders of massive alliances.

Lets look at how CCP advertise 0.0

> Chance to be part of massive player controlled fleets

By the looks of things nothing has changed in 0.0 and these fleets dont exist, unless you mean these Fatal Ascension forum fleets that have put maximum effort in being stupid on eve-o

> Chance to be part of player driven wars

Atlas dying for the 10th time isnt considered PvP OR warfare

> Chance to pilot and shoot the most strongest ships

Not that appealing

> Bragging rights

Who really would brag about owning space / land in a game? My 100 days away from EVE and I never once heard anyone talk to me in RL about space, NAPs or whos balls they are keep moist because they are too scared to actually play the game

> Political conflicts

Political drama is always fun, in fact the 0.0 drama is one of the few things that make 0.0 unique and attractive, but again there hasnt been any of that in a long time


Fact of the matter is, 0.0 is really a game of its own and can really be compared to DUST, its just there and the only time 0.0 becomes important is when you are travelling through it, which is almost always unnecessary unless you are coming through / from a WH.

I doubt security has changed either, hi sec / low sec is far more dangerous than 0.0, there is a much higher chance you will die in hi sec than there is in 0.0, as for PvP last I checked PL and AIDs were the only things considered PvP in 0.0

CCP should just say goodbye to 0.0 and move it on a different server, call it Autismilarity or something and focus on WH, Lowsec and hi sec, you know the places that are actually considered dangerous AND fun :P

Oh and for the sake of things

TLDR: 0.0 is ****, why move there when you can have fun everywhere else