EVE General Discussion

As a self confessed care bear, all of this is just nerf hi-sec which would not make me move, just quit like you have indicated.

Null I'll forget about, apart from the odd trip there (which I do every week or so) there is nothing for me there unless I want to join/create a massive alliance or rent.

Low just has nothing attractive to balance the risk/reward driver. All the good moons are gone, building anything is simply putting up a big kick me sign, and while mining is better and in fact somewhat safer with empty systems, I want to do more than just that. So hi-sec is where I base from.

That's life in EVE and anything that would tempt me out would likley see a load of negative comments from the pew pew crowd unless it is simply to become their target

Have played the game for good few years now with various characters - hi sec, lowsec, null tried them all. I have to say that the reason I have been a hisec dweller for the last couple of years is that life in null is just to demanding for a player with a real life outside of the game. When I log on for a couple of hours in the evening after a day at work I don't want to be told that I have to spend the time sitting still staring at a gate because we might have some roamers around, I don't want some bossy director nagging at me for not getting into a fleet every 15 mins. Been to null, tried it, hated it - too much like work which I what I play this game to get away from.

I some ways I am probably the sort of player many null dwellers would like to see out there for a few hours a day - I enjoy a little pvp now and again, as a change of pace I even run a few missions in npc 0.0 once in a while, I don't care if I get get blown up now and again, but move back out to null for real and put up with all the grief that goes with alliance life ? - forget it. This is one of the things I think the rabid pro null crowd forget, null demands a playstyle and committment that empire does not, a playstyle that many of us either cannot fit into aour lives or just dont enjoy. Hisec gives us what we want - remove it or make it less fun for us and more like null/low and we wont move out to join you we will just find another game to play.

I just wanted to point out that that "bossy director" probably wanted you to get in fleet so that if you got into trouble help could warp to you directly.

Likewise, if there is an imminent threat in the area, you can damn well devote a little time occasionally to watching your team mates backs... just as you are expecting them to watch yours. That is the small price you pay for access to the resources you desire. If everyone thought as you did, your entire corp would lose access to those resources.

Your play style is valid, I'm not saying otherwise, but your choices should be reflected in your level of income.

If you must know where the quasi-arbitrary 2% figure comes from, it's the 2.1% that lies beyond two standard deviations in one arm of a normal probability distribution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
You know, with me having had just spoken about how you should think of the player's predispositions towards assessment of "worth" of risk-vs-reward-with-effort-figured-in as a bell curve rather than an archetype (differing from person to person at any given time AND for the same person given the passage of time).

Could be 0.1%, could be 25%, actual number doesn't matter so much as it matters that it's neither 0% nor 100%.
Did you sell your character so it's another person behing it, or did something happen ingame or in RL to make you become much more bitter and snap-happy lately ? I don't remember you having such a propensity of grasping at straws in posts your character used to make a couple of years ago (back when I vaguely remember you posting far more often). Then again, I might be confusing you with somebody of a similar name.


Bottom line, while the EXACT numbers of people that would be attracted to lowsec/0.0/w-space by a boost in each individual rewards levels as opposed to the EXACT number of people that would never actually venture out of highsec no matter what is up for debate (and may only be determined through trial, error and much waiting), there is no doubt that by increasing the rewards (while risk and effort remain unaltered) more people will end up going there eventually, as the "news" spreads.
A similar effect would be achievable if highsec rewards would be reduced, but that would create a higher backlash (because boosting some infrequently used content is less anger-inducing than nerfing some often-used content).

YES, it would be a good idea to ALSO make it more interesting/fun to go into those areas (if possible), while also adding new means to boost one's safety levels and that of corpies/friends via new gameplay mechanics, but those things take far more developer time than fiddling with drop rates, bounty levels and such.

No. The fact that it is a sandbox game with the kind of market/war-economy engine that EVE offers at its heart means that income levels are very relevant, because what one person earns directly affects everyone else in that sandbox.

You know the main problem is that Null has nothing to offer accept pvp... You will make more ISK in WHs (with the coming PI changes) mining ABC and doing sleepers. You will make more money in Highsec doing lvl 4s and Incursions..

The fact is that 0,0 is just a gigant Timesink, and its other players who sink your time.. If I want to log into the game 3 hours and make 300m ISK or more and know that after 3 hour I will have made the ISK, Null is not the place to bee...

I Personaly think that Profits both in low and 0,0 needs to be drasticly Increased. I also think that we need game mechanics for law and order to help Make both low sec and Null safer to live in. EvE hase to Evolve out of the Dark Ages (that means we need to remove Greifing mechanics, And Retards who only play to sabotage for others, If you do this In IRL its Game Over for you and it should be the same In a virtual game that like to lable itself " EVE IS REAL".

I have 99m sp these days and I still dont fly capitals.. My skills are in market trading, manafacturing and sub capital ships. To me Null has nothing to offer, its better to do WHs, incursions and trading In highsec. And then go on some low roams or WH roams for small gang PvP, I dont want to fight laggy big fights, I think they are boring. I like the small gang fights..

I tell NOOBS how it is you wont make more ISK per hour in Null if you count in the risk vs Reward. Its a hughe time sink, and Space looks the and works the same as in Highsec, so dont bother its highly overated..

I would beg to disagree with you too. You CAN grind in lowsec.
Not everywhere, and not very well in certain areas, but you can.
I personally know people that actually do that (or, well, used to do that back when I was still actively taking an interest, which is not THAT long ago). And they were NOT doing that as part of a large corp, but as solo players.

There are more than a few low truesec lowsec "cul de sacs" with decent agents of various levels, and even blitzing L3s in dirt-cheap things in less peaceful backwaters can yield nearly as much ISK/h as power-steamrolling L4s in high truesec highsec after decent LP conversion rates.
One can also blitz L4s in more expensive boats in areas where you have established yourself as "peaceful enough" to the rest of the "locals" so that your risk of losing stuff will be lowered as they might actually warn you of hostiles in local every now and then.
Then there's also the separate risk of moving your sellable loot to highsec, so that has to also be taken into account.
Yes, it's more adrenaline-filled and therefore nerve-wracking, but for some people the rewards are high enough to go there. ot high enough for others, but some were tempted.

Even a relatively moderate (20%-40%) bump in overall rewards could lead to an increased NRDS (or at least non-NBSI) local presence in some of those semi-established areas (and the start of such a presence in previously nearly empty areas), which in time could lead to increase safety for those that usually live there, maybe also attracting enough wannabe traders to lower the risk of shipping stuff out and lessen the hassle of having to bring stuff in (for a portion of the increased profits), and in the LONG ENOUGH run, to a stable noticeably increased overall//average presence in more lowsec areas.


The transition period for just a moderate bump in rewards could take a really long time, as people need to become aware of it by word-of-mouth (because other methods seldom reach enough people to matter) and then convince themselves (or be convinced by others) to give it a try (some failing and returning tail between legs, of course).
If you bump rewards TOO much too fast though you could end up achieving the exact opposite effect (at least in some areas) for a host of subtly different reasons I care not go into too much detail right this evening, at least in the short run, and in the long run, while you might achieve the same result as the moderate boost, it could come at the expense of a more unstable economy game-wide.

So, you know, there's no magic bullet, no "this will end up better for everybody" 100% certain change, and no quick way to determine which changes will be the most beneficial. Loads of trial and error (with plenty of waiting in between) needs to happen. But... it DOES need to happen. Eventually.

Because it's far more important to earn imaginary money than it is to do something exciting and challenging in a video game... amiright?

Just an FYI, but to some, earning imaginary money IS the challenge, just as to some others, imaginary kills on a killboard is the challenge. Some play to destroy riches while others play to build riches.

Indeed.

That would also be why there are suggestions to buff low sec as an income stream. More challenge from the environment AND better addressing the challenge of attaining fiscal superiority.

But some people are insisting that it wouldn't make a difference, so apparently THEY are the ones that disagree with you. They believe that making less money in the least challenging environment available would be (in their opinion) vastly superior.

Go figure.