EVE General Discussion

You realize the reason people complain about people who dont pvp, is because you're playing a game who's #1 feature is pvp.

If you want to stay in highsec and never pvp, you're not playing the right game.

Holy strawman, Batman!

The irony of half the "0.0" people here acting all big and bad is not lost on me.

Most of you have been in at least one failure cascade where for all the "GOOD FIGHTS HURRR" you put up on the forum when the time came for real PvP, not 5v1 gankings you high tailed it out of there.

The biggest carebears are usually the ones ganking in Null Sec.

So consider abortion to be right and you think it should be available for free at driveins?

Wthat the hell does any of that have to do with anything?

Eve is a PVP game. Its purely PVP. The whole point of eve's existance, is PVP. There are thousands of games out there that cater to people who dont like pvp, however, eve is one of the few that is designed around PVP.

Do not come into eve thinking its just like the other PvE games you've played. It is not. It is a pvp game from the ground up, and you're mistaken if you think you should be entitled to play it without risking pvp.

What the **** does any of thi s have to do with army chaplains or medical staff? WHAT FOX NEWS ARE YOU WATCHNIG?

So if i play monopoly with you, and i decide that i dont think i should have to pay rent just for 'passing by' your hotels, is that ok? We'll just change the rules a little for me since Monopoly should cater to people like me who dont actually sleep in the hotels, i just wanted to drive past the house instead. I mean, my game piece is a Car, i can just sleep in that, i dont need to pay your extortionist Boardwalk with 3 hotels rent

Its part of the game you ********

God why don't people get it...


Mining = leads to PvP (you have to sell something to make money)
Ship building = leads to PvP (ditto)
Market trading = is PvP
Missions = needed to buy that ship/modules from somewhere, therefore it is a form of PvP (not to mention selling mission loot/salvage)
Exploration = PvP
And finally, combat = mistaken to be the only source of PvP in this game, but is just one of many forms.



Everything in this game, aside from ship spinning is PvP in a form.


Edit: I will agree that missions as a stand alone are not PvP, but it is nearly impossible to do missions only. Unless you start with your free ships from training missions, and proceed to mine you mins and build your ships and buy BPOs for you ships that you want and never upgrade your BPO (wow.... avoiding PvP in this game is actually a lot of work)...


Point: PvP is unavoidable in EVE. Don't want to PvP, don't play EVE.




EDIT 2: Hirana, the majority of this post isn't meant at you, but at those above you on the page. You just posted too fast.

Dear god no!!!

If everyone did that low sec would be a nightmare... more than it is I mean.

I'm just tired of "PvPers" and "carebears" not getting that almost every aspect of this game is PvP.

Hey,

I like 1k+ Ships mostly battleships congo-lining for several hours

No, but it does mean that there is no way to “just do your own thing” in EVE — the game simply does not allow it. As a result, this means that everything you do affects and influences the combat / political portion of the game, and they need to be able to affect you right back.

It also means that even if you don't want to PvP, you still have to. You can't not do it. You may choose to do it in an arena where you're more comfortable, but you are competing with (and beating) other players, which creates problems for them. So when they come right back and cause problems for you (using an arena they're more comfortable in), it's not really something you can complain about — it's just part of the game.

EVE is a sandbox, but that doesn't tell the whole story, and it doesn't mean you can pick and choose what to do. The full story is that EVE is a multiplayer sandbox, where everyone can pick and choose what to do, which includes doing things to you that you will not like. To make matters worse, this sandbox is built around a market and a war economy that requires bad things to happen to people in order for the whole thing to go around.

Now, just to make it clear, I'm using the generic “you” here, not one directed at you, Kariel. Quite the opposite, in fact since……you seem to want to agree to the terms the game sets up: you are indeed engaged in constant conflict, whether you choose to or not (or, rather, by choosing to play the game, you choose to engage in conflict). The problem is that a lot of people — especially in highsec — don't share this notion. They falsely believe that the sandbox works like a single-player sandbox where they — and only they — can do what they want; that they are supposed to be disconnected from the multiplayer aspect of that sandbox; that any intrusion into “their” part of the sandbox is a most gruesome violation of their person; and that all such violations should be banned.

…which leads us back to that original quote: if you don't want to PvP, you are playing the wrong game, because in EVE, it is quite literally impossible not to PvP. Complaining about being “PvP:ed” in this game is like playing CS and complaining about being shot in the face — it's kind of the point of the game. It's just that EVE offers so many variations on the theme and that it has converted activities that normally delivered in the form of PvE in other games into PvP, and this apparently comes as a huge surprise to some.

And people complain that CCP dumb **** down.

Its because idiots like the OP are morons.

Define, "a lot of people". And, explain your data collection methods.

Finally, do you have some kind of attribution, stats, or poll results that lead to that conclusion? Or, as I suspect, did you simply yank that hooey directly out your butt?