EVE General Discussion

Have you ever considered the reason most people don't go into null or low sec is because you're out there? This may be hard to believe, and it isn't meant as an insult. If your idea of "play" is destroying things, including the efforts and aspirations of other people, and you're unhappy with null and low sec because there's just not enough people out there to get your ya yas out, it may be highly likely the problem is with you, not the mechanics of the game.

The reason I say this is this issue of null/low/hi sec keeps getting tossed around, but the cogent point about why players aren't encouraged with the idea of leaving hi sec specifically isn't really covered adequately, or is so heavily stomped on by the "destructive" players who also can't seem to keep their attitudes confined to their playing "styles."

So, here it is. The great majority of EVE players do not find constantly fighting with no real opportunity to be creative (rather than destructive) a satisfying, enjoyable or productive way to spend time. This obviates (Google it) itself by the sheer numbers of complaints from the destructive players, and the relative lack of similar complaints by those who are contemptuously labeled "Care Bears." It's even to the point where the destructive minority is urging CCP to change game mechanics to force the productive players into their arena so they may be supplied with a steady stream of victims.

Oddly enough, this disdain for a destructive gaming style has not so much to do with cowardice (and the destructive types with some sort of bravery) as it has to do with the mind-numbing repetitiveness of destructive gameplay. Face it. More intelligent, and widely versed people require something a bit more intricate than pew pew to attract their interest. Self-imagined thugs, however, need only to kick a hole in something to get their titillating giggles out. The adrenalin rush is okay. The satisfaction of seeing an intricately planned and well-executed creation reach fruition is much, much better.

As long as the majority of players see null and low sec as a sucker's bet populated only by those that intend to destroy everything creative players build, just to provide yucks for a minority of vocal (putting it nicely) vandals you will NOT see a major migration of hi sec players into low or null sec. Funny thing about intelligent people. They aren't stupid.

Read it and weep.

TD;DR

Basically said that High Sec Players like to create not destroy.

This is not the case though there is much room for colonizing 0.0 and building something that would be talked for ages. There are very few things that come even close to what you can do out there and build out there. Then like all things in order to build you must find the ashes of before to build upon.

Naw... it's the mechanics of the game.

1. Sov structures = too much HP and nobody wants to grind through the timers + stations plus HP of the 3 reinforcement timers you have to wait for.

2. Supercaps.

3. Null has no perks or bonuses. After the sanctum nerf, all the "bears" found it easier and more rewarding to grind incursions or lvl4's in empire so they left.


Definitely mechanics dude.

So, we're bored and mad and gonna take it out on you.

so, how about building and creating something in 00 ?

you can of course put all your building and creating effords into building and creating something that is that much of a benefit for those who only want to destroy (hint: they dont necessary !) that they start defending it for you

ofc not talking about current 00 being not the place to build and create stuff, but at least, there is hope

Because 0.0 is all about making ISK. And jealously guarding the ISK making. I for one, don't get why the largest alliances don't open up the space to immigrants while imposing a tax structure.

Why aren't the holders of large sovereign space developing that space? I'm wiling to bet that with the right leadership and skills, a huge chunk of high sec population could be moved to null sec and rival Empire space in productivity and income.

No, basically said that low/null players are on the losing end of the prisoner's dilemma, having hit "Defect" a few too many times. Now they complain because all you ever get every round is a single point, when they used to get 5. Too many wolves and not enough sheep. But if the wolves are so elite, why can't they just learn to eat wolf? Crying for the sheep to come back won't make them come back, the sheep have better things to do.

What are the obstacles?

The opportunities to be constructive in 0.0 far out weighs the opportunities to be constructive in empire.

Remove high sec.

You want guards? Hire NPC or Player "body guards" to escort you around.

Leave station and gate turrets; in fact...put them at every station and gate. Make people destroy them if they want to keep camping.


Or..

Do the same above but split and make two shards; PVE and PVP.

This current system isn't going to work. Because I can go and gank in hi-sec. So those who absolutely hate pvp will be pissed.

If CCP does something to remove ganking in hi-sec; all the pvpers will be pissed.

At least with two shards...IT'S YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT FOR ROLLING ON THE PVP SHARD OR FOR "FLAGGING" ON THE PVE SHARD.


*shrug*

Can't please everyone; so long as I'm pleased I don't care

Carebears need to harden up.

Null is better (in my opinion) to build in and achieve what you want. You can just about do everything in null you can do in empire. In most cases, it's safer because you know who your enemies are.

Honestly, I feel safer in nullsec than I do in empire. The problem is that there are too many people in the game who take on new pilots and tell them that 0.0 is this horrible disgusting palace and that evil people live there who's only purpose in life is to make your's, the new player, miserable. This is far from the truth and too many empire alliances/corps/institutions teach that null sec is horrible and that you shouldn't attempt to go if you have less than 20m SP and capitals and etc...

I've _NEVER_ lived in empire. When I had < 2 m SP, I was in null sec. I advise this to all pilots.